Northern Macedonia

Napisano przez avatar, 20.06.2018 at 07:08

Republic of North Macedonia
Vukojebina- the place where the wolves fuck

this is Balkanistan

mačkedonija, najbolje ime

Napisano przez Zephyrusu, 19.06.2018 at 09:22

Napisano przez avatar, 19.06.2018 at 06:46

Modern greeks =turk+slavic

k this has degenerated into pure trolling so I'll just stop caring

It degenerated the moment the discussion continued after my address and had no refutation; along with your modified regurgitation of it. Debates like these do tend to end when someone doesn't add anything new, and make silly remarks about Identity and culture in accordance with their political stance. Do not complain if you didn't add much in the first place. There is a reason no one responded to you. However I suppose I'll be the one to humor the mentally inept as usual.

For Example: Your stance on Ideology, if you don't grasp the concept the certain ideologies are ethnic in origin like Shintoism from the Japanese, Judaism from the Jews, Hinduism from the Hindustani, Confucianism from the Chinese and original Pagan beliefs of certain peoples (Like the Slavs). Then it only further proves the fact of you simply attempting to force your views without any real education on the matter. I don't need to expand on this further.

Please refrain from being on a high horse you weren't riding in the first place.

Napisano przez K_Himmelreich, 20.06.2018 at 16:55

It degenerated the moment the discussion continued after my address and had no refutation; along with your modified regurgitation of it. Debates like these do tend to end when someone doesn't add anything new, and make silly remarks about Identity and culture in accordance with their political stance. Do not complain if you didn't add much in the first place. There is a reason no one responded to you. However I suppose I'll be the one to humor the mentally inept as usual.

For Example: Your stance on Ideology, if you don't grasp the concept the certain ideologies are ethnic in origin like Shintoism from the Japanese, Judaism from the Jews, Hinduism from the Hindustani, Confucianism from the Chinese and original Pagan beliefs of certain peoples (Like the Slavs). Then it only further proves the fact of you simply attempting to force your views without any real education on the matter. I don't need to expand on this further.

Please refrain from being on a high horse you weren't riding in the first place.

When did religion become "ideology' to you ._.

"Silly remarks about identity and culture"...? We are debating ethnic identity, and you consider culture a silly subject? Ok...

When did I present any political stance of my own? Do you consider me saying that DNA is irrelevant a political stance? Well, some people would also claim that my belief that the world is round is a political stance, so whatever floats your boat, I guess...

I was "being on a high horse"? I demonstrated my knowledge and opinion on various subjects presented, without insulting anyone present. By contrast, you're calling me "mentally inept"... who's being on a high horse now? Well, thanks for pointlessly insulting me, I guess. Have fun discussing whether Alexander's armpit hair was blue or purple or whatever it is that you were doing.

Napisano przez Zephyrusu, 21.06.2018 at 08:08

Napisano przez K_Himmelreich, 20.06.2018 at 16:55

It degenerated the moment the discussion continued after my address and had no refutation; along with your modified regurgitation of it. Debates like these do tend to end when someone doesn't add anything new, and make silly remarks about Identity and culture in accordance with their political stance. Do not complain if you didn't add much in the first place. There is a reason no one responded to you. However I suppose I'll be the one to humor the mentally inept as usual.

For Example: Your stance on Ideology, if you don't grasp the concept the certain ideologies are ethnic in origin like Shintoism from the Japanese, Judaism from the Jews, Hinduism from the Hindustani, Confucianism from the Chinese and original Pagan beliefs of certain peoples (Like the Slavs). Then it only further proves the fact of you simply attempting to force your views without any real education on the matter. I don't need to expand on this further.

Please refrain from being on a high horse you weren't riding in the first place.

When did religion become "ideology' to you ._.

"Silly remarks about identity and culture"...? We are debating ethnic identity, and you consider culture a silly subject? Ok...

When did I present any political stance of my own? Do you consider me saying that DNA is irrelevant a political stance? Well, some people would also claim that my belief that the world is round is a political stance, so whatever floats your boat, I guess...

I was "being on a high horse"? I demonstrated my knowledge and opinion on various subjects presented, without insulting anyone present. By contrast, you're calling me "mentally inept"... who's being on a high horse now? Well, thanks for pointlessly insulting me, I guess. Have fun discussing whether Alexander's armpit hair was blue or purple or whatever it is that you were doing.

Why would you answer in a lame rebuttal to continue discrediting yourself? Religion is an ideology, a simpleton with any below average education knows this. As for ethnic identity, the only thing you are remotely correct on is that identity is subjective. DNA is not irrelevant, but social aspects of society that rely on subjective thought never has cooperated well with the scientific and objective but usually it seeks it as a scapegoat or propaganda attempt either way.

Your delusion of DNA being nothing, even though it defines you is yes, a political stance and shows a transparency into your beliefs.

If would stop congratulating yourself on your "knowledge", Which was a dumbed down version of the information I offered here with sources and references and your lack thereof. Then maybe I wouldn't be describing you as someone who overestimates himself.

You know very well this topic is concerning a delusional population and government. Whom, mind you, have been manipulated and toyed with in modern history and came to existence as a result; They attempt to twist ancient history via Alexander's conquests and Osmanli province drawing rather than the original state land area of Macedonia, and this is a clear security issue for Greece. Since FYROM, claims land that Greece reigns sovereignty over.

Of course you are free to continue being immature about "armpit hair". Wherever that fetish came from.

Napisano przez K_Himmelreich, 21.06.2018 at 12:45

Napisano przez Zephyrusu, 21.06.2018 at 08:08

Napisano przez K_Himmelreich, 20.06.2018 at 16:55

It degenerated the moment the discussion continued after my address and had no refutation; along with your modified regurgitation of it. Debates like these do tend to end when someone doesn't add anything new, and make silly remarks about Identity and culture in accordance with their political stance. Do not complain if you didn't add much in the first place. There is a reason no one responded to you. However I suppose I'll be the one to humor the mentally inept as usual.

For Example: Your stance on Ideology, if you don't grasp the concept the certain ideologies are ethnic in origin like Shintoism from the Japanese, Judaism from the Jews, Hinduism from the Hindustani, Confucianism from the Chinese and original Pagan beliefs of certain peoples (Like the Slavs). Then it only further proves the fact of you simply attempting to force your views without any real education on the matter. I don't need to expand on this further.

Please refrain from being on a high horse you weren't riding in the first place.

When did religion become "ideology' to you ._.

"Silly remarks about identity and culture"...? We are debating ethnic identity, and you consider culture a silly subject? Ok...

When did I present any political stance of my own? Do you consider me saying that DNA is irrelevant a political stance? Well, some people would also claim that my belief that the world is round is a political stance, so whatever floats your boat, I guess...

I was "being on a high horse"? I demonstrated my knowledge and opinion on various subjects presented, without insulting anyone present. By contrast, you're calling me "mentally inept"... who's being on a high horse now? Well, thanks for pointlessly insulting me, I guess. Have fun discussing whether Alexander's armpit hair was blue or purple or whatever it is that you were doing.

Why would you answer in a lame rebuttal to continue discrediting yourself? Religion is an ideology, a simpleton with any below average education knows this. As for ethnic identity, the only thing you are remotely correct on is that identity is subjective. DNA is not irrelevant, but social aspects of society that rely on subjective thought never has cooperated well with the scientific and objective but usually it seeks it as a scapegoat or propaganda attempt either way.

Your delusion of DNA being nothing, even though it defines you is yes, a political stance and shows a transparency into your beliefs.

If would stop congratulating yourself on your "knowledge", Which was a dumbed down version of the information I offered here with sources and references and your lack thereof. Then maybe I wouldn't be describing you as someone who overestimates himself.

You know very well this topic is concerning a delusional population and government. Whom, mind you, have been manipulated and toyed with in modern history and came to existence as a result; They attempt to twist ancient history via Alexander's conquests and Osmanli province drawing rather than the original state land area of Macedonia, and this is a clear security issue for Greece. Since FYROM, claims land that Greece reigns sovereignty over.

Of course you are free to continue being immature about "armpit hair". Wherever that fetish came from.

Hey both you are in the same side , stop arguing for nothing xD.

I admit it , DNA is a strong proof about the races but how can we be sure today? DNA are totally mixed especially at Europe and the Balkans.There is not a pure race anymore.So culture is what comes next.Acient Macedonians had a greek culture and that is the point for me, they didnt spoke a slavic languge. No one can call Greeks as Slavs , because Greeks has an Greek culture even if some greeks have Slavs blood. I didnt said there are not Slavic Macedonians , of course there are but they cant call themselfs macedonians when the original macedonians had a greek culture. So the point is , how a ''country'' with a slavic culture can be called Macedonia? Their only fact is that they mixed up with the local macedonians, and thats why they had macedonian blood . Nothing more , Nothing less

Napisano przez Cyan Spectre, 21.06.2018 at 13:09

Napisano przez K_Himmelreich, 21.06.2018 at 12:45

Napisano przez Zephyrusu, 21.06.2018 at 08:08

Napisano przez K_Himmelreich, 20.06.2018 at 16:55

It degenerated the moment the discussion continued after my address and had no refutation; along with your modified regurgitation of it. Debates like these do tend to end when someone doesn't add anything new, and make silly remarks about Identity and culture in accordance with their political stance. Do not complain if you didn't add much in the first place. There is a reason no one responded to you. However I suppose I'll be the one to humor the mentally inept as usual.

For Example: Your stance on Ideology, if you don't grasp the concept the certain ideologies are ethnic in origin like Shintoism from the Japanese, Judaism from the Jews, Hinduism from the Hindustani, Confucianism from the Chinese and original Pagan beliefs of certain peoples (Like the Slavs). Then it only further proves the fact of you simply attempting to force your views without any real education on the matter. I don't need to expand on this further.

Please refrain from being on a high horse you weren't riding in the first place.

When did religion become "ideology' to you ._.

"Silly remarks about identity and culture"...? We are debating ethnic identity, and you consider culture a silly subject? Ok...

When did I present any political stance of my own? Do you consider me saying that DNA is irrelevant a political stance? Well, some people would also claim that my belief that the world is round is a political stance, so whatever floats your boat, I guess...

I was "being on a high horse"? I demonstrated my knowledge and opinion on various subjects presented, without insulting anyone present. By contrast, you're calling me "mentally inept"... who's being on a high horse now? Well, thanks for pointlessly insulting me, I guess. Have fun discussing whether Alexander's armpit hair was blue or purple or whatever it is that you were doing.

Why would you answer in a lame rebuttal to continue discrediting yourself? Religion is an ideology, a simpleton with any below average education knows this. As for ethnic identity, the only thing you are remotely correct on is that identity is subjective. DNA is not irrelevant, but social aspects of society that rely on subjective thought never has cooperated well with the scientific and objective but usually it seeks it as a scapegoat or propaganda attempt either way.

Your delusion of DNA being nothing, even though it defines you is yes, a political stance and shows a transparency into your beliefs.

If would stop congratulating yourself on your "knowledge", Which was a dumbed down version of the information I offered here with sources and references and your lack thereof. Then maybe I wouldn't be describing you as someone who overestimates himself.

You know very well this topic is concerning a delusional population and government. Whom, mind you, have been manipulated and toyed with in modern history and came to existence as a result; They attempt to twist ancient history via Alexander's conquests and Osmanli province drawing rather than the original state land area of Macedonia, and this is a clear security issue for Greece. Since FYROM, claims land that Greece reigns sovereignty over.

Of course you are free to continue being immature about "armpit hair". Wherever that fetish came from.

Hey both you are in the same side , stop arguing for nothing xD.

I admit it , DNA is a strong proof about the races but how can we be sure today? DNA are totally mixed especially at Europe and the Balkans.There is not a pure race anymore.So culture is what comes next.Acient Macedonians had a greek culture and that is the point for me, they didnt spoke a slavic languge. No one can call Greeks as Slavs , because Greeks has an Greek culture even if some greeks have Slavs blood. I didnt said there are not Slavic Macedonians , of course there are but they cant call themselfs macedonians when the original macedonians had a greek culture. So the point is , how a ''country'' with a slavic culture can be called Macedonia? Their only fact is that they mixed up with the local macedonians, and thats why they had macedonian blood . Nothing more , Nothing less

The world is mixed somewhat. Are you trying to say that the Chinese or Japanese are as diluted as the rest of the western world with no identity? Japs or Chinese are no where near similar to Greeks or blacks, vice versa and diagonal across ethnic groups. They also have (Like real Africans or any population group for that matter) genetically distinct markers. A real Greek is not even blood related or similar to a Russian, much less an Indonesian or Native Quechua speaking Bolivian.

Now if you wanna say FYROM is appropriating Greek culture then sure, you'd be correct. However a mixed population as no claim to any land nor any people. For if culture is the only indicator of identity, we can all appropriate Thai culture and start calling ourselves Thai tomorrow. Makes no sense right? Same for the people in FYROM. Also, we went over this, it is culture and group, as the original inhabitants of Macedonia proper didn't have any Slavic interjection until the invasions, rape pillaging, settlement etc. Slavs can't claim what they never originally had. The only way land shifts owners or changes is if they slaughter or blend out the original population, and maintain/replace the culture. However I cannot see how that gives them the "right" to the land.

Can we Please refrain from political beliefs? Questioning western culture and bloodlines is one thing, but don't project it on other cultures or bloodlines.

Napisano przez K_Himmelreich, 21.06.2018 at 13:47

Napisano przez Cyan Spectre, 21.06.2018 at 13:09

Napisano przez K_Himmelreich, 21.06.2018 at 12:45

Napisano przez Zephyrusu, 21.06.2018 at 08:08

Napisano przez K_Himmelreich, 20.06.2018 at 16:55

It degenerated the moment the discussion continued after my address and had no refutation; along with your modified regurgitation of it. Debates like these do tend to end when someone doesn't add anything new, and make silly remarks about Identity and culture in accordance with their political stance. Do not complain if you didn't add much in the first place. There is a reason no one responded to you. However I suppose I'll be the one to humor the mentally inept as usual.

For Example: Your stance on Ideology, if you don't grasp the concept the certain ideologies are ethnic in origin like Shintoism from the Japanese, Judaism from the Jews, Hinduism from the Hindustani, Confucianism from the Chinese and original Pagan beliefs of certain peoples (Like the Slavs). Then it only further proves the fact of you simply attempting to force your views without any real education on the matter. I don't need to expand on this further.

Please refrain from being on a high horse you weren't riding in the first place.

When did religion become "ideology' to you ._.

"Silly remarks about identity and culture"...? We are debating ethnic identity, and you consider culture a silly subject? Ok...

When did I present any political stance of my own? Do you consider me saying that DNA is irrelevant a political stance? Well, some people would also claim that my belief that the world is round is a political stance, so whatever floats your boat, I guess...

I was "being on a high horse"? I demonstrated my knowledge and opinion on various subjects presented, without insulting anyone present. By contrast, you're calling me "mentally inept"... who's being on a high horse now? Well, thanks for pointlessly insulting me, I guess. Have fun discussing whether Alexander's armpit hair was blue or purple or whatever it is that you were doing.

Why would you answer in a lame rebuttal to continue discrediting yourself? Religion is an ideology, a simpleton with any below average education knows this. As for ethnic identity, the only thing you are remotely correct on is that identity is subjective. DNA is not irrelevant, but social aspects of society that rely on subjective thought never has cooperated well with the scientific and objective but usually it seeks it as a scapegoat or propaganda attempt either way.

Your delusion of DNA being nothing, even though it defines you is yes, a political stance and shows a transparency into your beliefs.

If would stop congratulating yourself on your "knowledge", Which was a dumbed down version of the information I offered here with sources and references and your lack thereof. Then maybe I wouldn't be describing you as someone who overestimates himself.

You know very well this topic is concerning a delusional population and government. Whom, mind you, have been manipulated and toyed with in modern history and came to existence as a result; They attempt to twist ancient history via Alexander's conquests and Osmanli province drawing rather than the original state land area of Macedonia, and this is a clear security issue for Greece. Since FYROM, claims land that Greece reigns sovereignty over.

Of course you are free to continue being immature about "armpit hair". Wherever that fetish came from.

Hey both you are in the same side , stop arguing for nothing xD.

I admit it , DNA is a strong proof about the races but how can we be sure today? DNA are totally mixed especially at Europe and the Balkans.There is not a pure race anymore.So culture is what comes next.Acient Macedonians had a greek culture and that is the point for me, they didnt spoke a slavic languge. No one can call Greeks as Slavs , because Greeks has an Greek culture even if some greeks have Slavs blood. I didnt said there are not Slavic Macedonians , of course there are but they cant call themselfs macedonians when the original macedonians had a greek culture. So the point is , how a ''country'' with a slavic culture can be called Macedonia? Their only fact is that they mixed up with the local macedonians, and thats why they had macedonian blood . Nothing more , Nothing less

The world is mixed somewhat. Are you trying to say that the Chinese or Japanese are as diluted as the rest of the western world with no identity? Japs or Chinese are no where near similar to Greeks or blacks, vice versa and diagonal across ethnic groups. They also have (Like real Africans or any population group for that matter) genetically distinct markers. A real Greek is not even blood related or similar to a Russian, much less an Indonesian or Native Quechua speaking Bolivian.

Now if you wanna say FYROM is appropriating Greek culture then sure, you'd be correct. However a mixed population as no claim to any land nor any people. For if culture is the only indicator of identity, we can all appropriate Thai culture and start calling ourselves Thai tomorrow. Makes no sense right? Same for the people in FYROM. Also, we went over this, it is culture and group, as the original inhabitants of Macedonia proper didn't have any Slavic interjection until the invasions, rape pillaging, settlement etc. Slavs can't claim what they never originally had. The only way land shifts owners or changes is if they slaughter or blend out the original population, and maintain/replace the culture. However I cannot see how that gives them the "right" to the land.

Can we Please refrain from political beliefs? Questioning western culture and bloodlines is one thing, but don't project it on other cultures or bloodlines.

Look , you are right , but i dont really speak for the rest of the world , i speak about the Balkans and more specifically the area of Macedonia. I mean Macedonia is totally mixed today. You can see that in their DNA. So , i said the culture is what comes next , and as i said acient and medieval macedonia had a greek culture ( languege , lifestyle ktc ). FYROM is a small area with 800k people. the majority are Slavo-albanians and bulgarians and the minority are Slavo-Macedonians ( Mixed local
from medieval macedonians with Slavs ) So with DNA you cant prove something , that what i mean

Napisano przez Cyan Spectre, 21.06.2018 at 14:05

Napisano przez K_Himmelreich, 21.06.2018 at 13:47

Napisano przez Cyan Spectre, 21.06.2018 at 13:09

Napisano przez K_Himmelreich, 21.06.2018 at 12:45

Napisano przez Zephyrusu, 21.06.2018 at 08:08

Napisano przez K_Himmelreich, 20.06.2018 at 16:55

It degenerated the moment the discussion continued after my address and had no refutation; along with your modified regurgitation of it. Debates like these do tend to end when someone doesn't add anything new, and make silly remarks about Identity and culture in accordance with their political stance. Do not complain if you didn't add much in the first place. There is a reason no one responded to you. However I suppose I'll be the one to humor the mentally inept as usual.

For Example: Your stance on Ideology, if you don't grasp the concept the certain ideologies are ethnic in origin like Shintoism from the Japanese, Judaism from the Jews, Hinduism from the Hindustani, Confucianism from the Chinese and original Pagan beliefs of certain peoples (Like the Slavs). Then it only further proves the fact of you simply attempting to force your views without any real education on the matter. I don't need to expand on this further.

Please refrain from being on a high horse you weren't riding in the first place.

When did religion become "ideology' to you ._.

"Silly remarks about identity and culture"...? We are debating ethnic identity, and you consider culture a silly subject? Ok...

When did I present any political stance of my own? Do you consider me saying that DNA is irrelevant a political stance? Well, some people would also claim that my belief that the world is round is a political stance, so whatever floats your boat, I guess...

I was "being on a high horse"? I demonstrated my knowledge and opinion on various subjects presented, without insulting anyone present. By contrast, you're calling me "mentally inept"... who's being on a high horse now? Well, thanks for pointlessly insulting me, I guess. Have fun discussing whether Alexander's armpit hair was blue or purple or whatever it is that you were doing.

Why would you answer in a lame rebuttal to continue discrediting yourself? Religion is an ideology, a simpleton with any below average education knows this. As for ethnic identity, the only thing you are remotely correct on is that identity is subjective. DNA is not irrelevant, but social aspects of society that rely on subjective thought never has cooperated well with the scientific and objective but usually it seeks it as a scapegoat or propaganda attempt either way.

Your delusion of DNA being nothing, even though it defines you is yes, a political stance and shows a transparency into your beliefs.

If would stop congratulating yourself on your "knowledge", Which was a dumbed down version of the information I offered here with sources and references and your lack thereof. Then maybe I wouldn't be describing you as someone who overestimates himself.

You know very well this topic is concerning a delusional population and government. Whom, mind you, have been manipulated and toyed with in modern history and came to existence as a result; They attempt to twist ancient history via Alexander's conquests and Osmanli province drawing rather than the original state land area of Macedonia, and this is a clear security issue for Greece. Since FYROM, claims land that Greece reigns sovereignty over.

Of course you are free to continue being immature about "armpit hair". Wherever that fetish came from.

Hey both you are in the same side , stop arguing for nothing xD.

I admit it , DNA is a strong proof about the races but how can we be sure today? DNA are totally mixed especially at Europe and the Balkans.There is not a pure race anymore.So culture is what comes next.Acient Macedonians had a greek culture and that is the point for me, they didnt spoke a slavic languge. No one can call Greeks as Slavs , because Greeks has an Greek culture even if some greeks have Slavs blood. I didnt said there are not Slavic Macedonians , of course there are but they cant call themselfs macedonians when the original macedonians had a greek culture. So the point is , how a ''country'' with a slavic culture can be called Macedonia? Their only fact is that they mixed up with the local macedonians, and thats why they had macedonian blood . Nothing more , Nothing less

The world is mixed somewhat. Are you trying to say that the Chinese or Japanese are as diluted as the rest of the western world with no identity? Japs or Chinese are no where near similar to Greeks or blacks, vice versa and diagonal across ethnic groups. They also have (Like real Africans or any population group for that matter) genetically distinct markers. A real Greek is not even blood related or similar to a Russian, much less an Indonesian or Native Quechua speaking Bolivian.

Now if you wanna say FYROM is appropriating Greek culture then sure, you'd be correct. However a mixed population as no claim to any land nor any people. For if culture is the only indicator of identity, we can all appropriate Thai culture and start calling ourselves Thai tomorrow. Makes no sense right? Same for the people in FYROM. Also, we went over this, it is culture and group, as the original inhabitants of Macedonia proper didn't have any Slavic interjection until the invasions, rape pillaging, settlement etc. Slavs can't claim what they never originally had. The only way land shifts owners or changes is if they slaughter or blend out the original population, and maintain/replace the culture. However I cannot see how that gives them the "right" to the land.

Can we Please refrain from political beliefs? Questioning western culture and bloodlines is one thing, but don't project it on other cultures or bloodlines.

Look , you are right , but i dont really speak for the rest of the world , i speak about the Balkans and more specifically the area of Macedonia. I mean Macedonia is totally mixed today. You can see that in their DNA. So , i said the culture is what comes next , and as i said acient and medieval macedonia had a greek culture ( languege , lifestyle ktc ). FYROM is a small area with 800k people. the majority are Slavo-albanians and bulgarians and the minority are Slavo-Macedonians ( Mixed local
from medieval macedonians with Slavs ) So with DNA you cant prove something , that what i mean

Alright, I am sorry then. You are right about the area of FYROM. If they aren't Greek but might try to pretend to be by acting out the culture, it still doesn't make them Greek, much less be able to claim Greek land. So I am glad we agree. Do forgive my misunderstandings here and there.

New balkan country naming system?

Btw fyrom is greek insult
Republic of Macedonia*

Napisano przez K_Himmelreich, 21.06.2018 at 14:16

Napisano przez Cyan Spectre, 21.06.2018 at 14:05

Napisano przez K_Himmelreich, 21.06.2018 at 13:47

Napisano przez Cyan Spectre, 21.06.2018 at 13:09

Napisano przez K_Himmelreich, 21.06.2018 at 12:45

Napisano przez Zephyrusu, 21.06.2018 at 08:08

Napisano przez K_Himmelreich, 20.06.2018 at 16:55

It degenerated the moment the discussion continued after my address and had no refutation; along with your modified regurgitation of it. Debates like these do tend to end when someone doesn't add anything new, and make silly remarks about Identity and culture in accordance with their political stance. Do not complain if you didn't add much in the first place. There is a reason no one responded to you. However I suppose I'll be the one to humor the mentally inept as usual.

For Example: Your stance on Ideology, if you don't grasp the concept the certain ideologies are ethnic in origin like Shintoism from the Japanese, Judaism from the Jews, Hinduism from the Hindustani, Confucianism from the Chinese and original Pagan beliefs of certain peoples (Like the Slavs). Then it only further proves the fact of you simply attempting to force your views without any real education on the matter. I don't need to expand on this further.

Please refrain from being on a high horse you weren't riding in the first place.

When did religion become "ideology' to you ._.

"Silly remarks about identity and culture"...? We are debating ethnic identity, and you consider culture a silly subject? Ok...

When did I present any political stance of my own? Do you consider me saying that DNA is irrelevant a political stance? Well, some people would also claim that my belief that the world is round is a political stance, so whatever floats your boat, I guess...

I was "being on a high horse"? I demonstrated my knowledge and opinion on various subjects presented, without insulting anyone present. By contrast, you're calling me "mentally inept"... who's being on a high horse now? Well, thanks for pointlessly insulting me, I guess. Have fun discussing whether Alexander's armpit hair was blue or purple or whatever it is that you were doing.

Why would you answer in a lame rebuttal to continue discrediting yourself? Religion is an ideology, a simpleton with any below average education knows this. As for ethnic identity, the only thing you are remotely correct on is that identity is subjective. DNA is not irrelevant, but social aspects of society that rely on subjective thought never has cooperated well with the scientific and objective but usually it seeks it as a scapegoat or propaganda attempt either way.

Your delusion of DNA being nothing, even though it defines you is yes, a political stance and shows a transparency into your beliefs.

If would stop congratulating yourself on your "knowledge", Which was a dumbed down version of the information I offered here with sources and references and your lack thereof. Then maybe I wouldn't be describing you as someone who overestimates himself.

You know very well this topic is concerning a delusional population and government. Whom, mind you, have been manipulated and toyed with in modern history and came to existence as a result; They attempt to twist ancient history via Alexander's conquests and Osmanli province drawing rather than the original state land area of Macedonia, and this is a clear security issue for Greece. Since FYROM, claims land that Greece reigns sovereignty over.

Of course you are free to continue being immature about "armpit hair". Wherever that fetish came from.

Hey both you are in the same side , stop arguing for nothing xD.

I admit it , DNA is a strong proof about the races but how can we be sure today? DNA are totally mixed especially at Europe and the Balkans.There is not a pure race anymore.So culture is what comes next.Acient Macedonians had a greek culture and that is the point for me, they didnt spoke a slavic languge. No one can call Greeks as Slavs , because Greeks has an Greek culture even if some greeks have Slavs blood. I didnt said there are not Slavic Macedonians , of course there are but they cant call themselfs macedonians when the original macedonians had a greek culture. So the point is , how a ''country'' with a slavic culture can be called Macedonia? Their only fact is that they mixed up with the local macedonians, and thats why they had macedonian blood . Nothing more , Nothing less

The world is mixed somewhat. Are you trying to say that the Chinese or Japanese are as diluted as the rest of the western world with no identity? Japs or Chinese are no where near similar to Greeks or blacks, vice versa and diagonal across ethnic groups. They also have (Like real Africans or any population group for that matter) genetically distinct markers. A real Greek is not even blood related or similar to a Russian, much less an Indonesian or Native Quechua speaking Bolivian.

Now if you wanna say FYROM is appropriating Greek culture then sure, you'd be correct. However a mixed population as no claim to any land nor any people. For if culture is the only indicator of identity, we can all appropriate Thai culture and start calling ourselves Thai tomorrow. Makes no sense right? Same for the people in FYROM. Also, we went over this, it is culture and group, as the original inhabitants of Macedonia proper didn't have any Slavic interjection until the invasions, rape pillaging, settlement etc. Slavs can't claim what they never originally had. The only way land shifts owners or changes is if they slaughter or blend out the original population, and maintain/replace the culture. However I cannot see how that gives them the "right" to the land.

Can we Please refrain from political beliefs? Questioning western culture and bloodlines is one thing, but don't project it on other cultures or bloodlines.

Look , you are right , but i dont really speak for the rest of the world , i speak about the Balkans and more specifically the area of Macedonia. I mean Macedonia is totally mixed today. You can see that in their DNA. So , i said the culture is what comes next , and as i said acient and medieval macedonia had a greek culture ( languege , lifestyle ktc ). FYROM is a small area with 800k people. the majority are Slavo-albanians and bulgarians and the minority are Slavo-Macedonians ( Mixed local
from medieval macedonians with Slavs ) So with DNA you cant prove something , that what i mean

Alright, I am sorry then. You are right about the area of FYROM. If they aren't Greek but might try to pretend to be by acting out the culture, it still doesn't make them Greek, much less be able to claim Greek land. So I am glad we agree. Do forgive my misunderstandings here and there.

Nah , no need to apoligizes , the fault is mine . My english is not good as yours so when i have something in my mind , i cant explain it accurately because i dont know the words so thats explain the misunderstandings xD. The fault is mine.

Napisano przez K_Himmelreich, 21.06.2018 at 12:45

Why would you answer in a lame rebuttal to continue discrediting yourself? Religion is an ideology, a simpleton with any below average education knows this. As for ethnic identity, the only thing you are remotely correct on is that identity is subjective. DNA is not irrelevant, but social aspects of society that rely on subjective thought never has cooperated well with the scientific and objective but usually it seeks it as a scapegoat or propaganda attempt either way.

Your delusion of DNA being nothing, even though it defines you is yes, a political stance and shows a transparency into your beliefs.

If would stop congratulating yourself on your "knowledge", Which was a dumbed down version of the information I offered here with sources and references and your lack thereof. Then maybe I wouldn't be describing you as someone who overestimates himself.

You know very well this topic is concerning a delusional population and government. Whom, mind you, have been manipulated and toyed with in modern history and came to existence as a result; They attempt to twist ancient history via Alexander's conquests and Osmanli province drawing rather than the original state land area of Macedonia, and this is a clear security issue for Greece. Since FYROM, claims land that Greece reigns sovereignty over.

Of course you are free to continue being immature about "armpit hair". Wherever that fetish came from.

Last time I checked, the colour of my hair wasn't what defined me as a person. Take the example of Turkey. Modern Turks' DNA is not remotely similar to the Turkic people of central Asia, however, their culture is a mix of those Turkic people and the culture of the Persians that they later invaded. Although their DNA is similar to that of the ancient peoples that lived there, their ethnicity is completely different. And no, religion is not an ideology, they are different things, although they share some aspects. Anyway, when did I say that FYROM should be called Macedonia, or that they had anything to do with Alexander the Great? Infact, what I said implied the exact opposite of that... And no, what I said was not a "dumbed down" version of what you said, but rather, an expanded version, that also stated how Slavs ended up in Macedonia, the exact sequences of events in the early 20th century and more info on the opinion of southern ancient Greeks' opinions on the ancient Macedonians. But keep insulting me, if it makes you feel better.

Napisano przez avatar, 21.06.2018 at 15:29

Btw fyrom is greek insult
Republic of Macedonia*

At least , now you have name

As for the FYROM
Former YugoSLAVIAN republic of Macedonia .Thats what i try to explain you . You cant claim the name Macedonia when you are Slavs .

Napisano przez Zephyrusu, 21.06.2018 at 15:34

Napisano przez K_Himmelreich, 21.06.2018 at 12:45

Why would you answer in a lame rebuttal to continue discrediting yourself? Religion is an ideology, a simpleton with any below average education knows this. As for ethnic identity, the only thing you are remotely correct on is that identity is subjective. DNA is not irrelevant, but social aspects of society that rely on subjective thought never has cooperated well with the scientific and objective but usually it seeks it as a scapegoat or propaganda attempt either way.

Your delusion of DNA being nothing, even though it defines you is yes, a political stance and shows a transparency into your beliefs.

If would stop congratulating yourself on your "knowledge", Which was a dumbed down version of the information I offered here with sources and references and your lack thereof. Then maybe I wouldn't be describing you as someone who overestimates himself.

You know very well this topic is concerning a delusional population and government. Whom, mind you, have been manipulated and toyed with in modern history and came to existence as a result; They attempt to twist ancient history via Alexander's conquests and Osmanli province drawing rather than the original state land area of Macedonia, and this is a clear security issue for Greece. Since FYROM, claims land that Greece reigns sovereignty over.

Of course you are free to continue being immature about "armpit hair". Wherever that fetish came from.

Last time I checked, the colour of my hair wasn't what defined me as a person. Take the example of Turkey. Modern Turks' DNA is not remotely similar to the Turkic people of central Asia, however, their culture is a mix of those Turkic people and the culture of the Persians that they later invaded. Although their DNA is similar to that of the ancient peoples that lived there, their ethnicity is completely different. And no, religion is not an ideology, they are different things, although they share some aspects. Anyway, when did I say that FYROM should be called Macedonia, or that they had anything to do with Alexander the Great? Infact, what I said implied the exact opposite of that... And no, what I said was not a "dumbed down" version of what you said, but rather, an expanded version, that also stated how Slavs ended up in Macedonia, the exact sequences of events in the early 20th century and more info on the opinion of southern ancient Greeks' opinions on the ancient Macedonians. But keep insulting me, if it makes you feel better.

No one cares about your identity politics or how you label/categorize yourself. Facts remain the same, you can't change your origin.

Modern turkey is the result of rape, slaughter/genocide and blending. So of course when a foreign population invades and forces their DNA into the native population, the result is something that got rid of two to make one. It's dark that you bring them up as an example of all things.

Religion is an ideology. If ideology is a held belief and so is religion they are the same, the only real difference is their implication in governance, to which Iran already violates as an exception with their theocracy. I don't understand why you make a distinction in regard to belief.

Alright, I'll give you the slav bit, but nothing else. No one has insulted you, but keep up the childish games. Point is if you agree that FYROM has no right's to Greek land, then this should be done.

Napisano przez K_Himmelreich, 21.06.2018 at 16:01

No one cares about your identity politics or how you label/categorize yourself. Facts remain the same, you can't change your origin.

Modern turkey is the result of rape, slaughter/genocide and blending. So of course when a foreign population invades and forces their DNA into the native population, the result is something that got rid of two to make one. It's dark that you bring them up as an example of all things.

Religion is an ideology. If ideology is a held belief and so is religion they are the same, the only real difference is their implication in governance, to which Iran already violates as an exception with their theocracy. I don't understand why you make a distinction in regard to belief.

Alright, I'll give you the slav bit, but nothing else. No one has insulted you, but keep up the childish games. Point is if you agree that FYROM has no right's to Greek land, then this should be done.

"No one has insulted you"? You literally called me mentally inept. And there is a distinction between religion and ideology: Religion is something personal that one person believes in, while ideology is something you want to apply to society. Sometimes the two mix together, and that's how you get religious fundamentalism, but they're not the same. And no, Turkey is not the result of rape or genocide, but integration. Sure, this integration was not peaceful and involved a lot of violence, but studies have shown that there's barely any Turkic DNA in modern Turks. There are more examples I could bring up: Syria, Iraq and Egypt are Arab nations eventhough genetically they're the descendants of the ancient people of the Middle East, that goes double for the Maghreb states, and eventhough a large percentage of the French and English populations are genetically Celtic, their nations have nothing to do with Celts. Or how about the entire population of Hokkaido, which is 100% Ainu in DNA and 100% Japanese in ethnicity? I do not see how you correlate DNA with ethnicity in any way.

Napisano przez K_Himmelreich, 21.06.2018 at 12:45

Why would you answer in a lame rebuttal to continue discrediting yourself? Religion is an ideology, a simpleton with any below average education knows this. As for ethnic identity, the only thing you are remotely correct on is that identity is subjective. DNA is not irrelevant, but social aspects of society that rely on subjective thought never has cooperated well with the scientific and objective but usually it seeks it as a scapegoat or propaganda attempt either way.

Your delusion of DNA being nothing, even though it defines you is yes, a political stance and shows a transparency into your beliefs.

If would stop congratulating yourself on your "knowledge", Which was a dumbed down version of the information I offered here with sources and references and your lack thereof. Then maybe I wouldn't be describing you as someone who overestimates himself.

You know very well this topic is concerning a delusional population and government. Whom, mind you, have been manipulated and toyed with in modern history and came to existence as a result; They attempt to twist ancient history via Alexander's conquests and Osmanli province drawing rather than the original state land area of Macedonia, and this is a clear security issue for Greece. Since FYROM, claims land that Greece reigns sovereignty over.

Of course you are free to continue being immature about "armpit hair". Wherever that fetish came from.

I told you several times to refrain yourself from going debateful because you make a clown out of yourself, first you utter ignorant and rather conspiracy-website type of stuff, then you insult others and it just derails from there on.

I'd suggest you to get off your high horse of baseless arrogance and stop getting your facts from Breitbart or Alex Jones...


(Also to say Religion is an Ideology..................)

In normal world .there Luxembourg region in Belgium and country Luxembourg
They dont have any problems.
But this is Balkanistan greeks are tard
After 500 years ottoman occupation people are crazy in balkan.But say thanks to Russia we give you independence from ottomans.
Ty to Russia turks lost balkan we get loyal ally against Austro-Hungarian Empire and Ottomans in that time


modern greek are not descendents of the famous hellenic people of the antique, but a"Turkish-molded mixture of Slavs, Byzantines and Albanians.


ancient hellenic people were big, blond and blue eyed, but modern Greeks are black haired and brown eyed small people.

Gg fockers slavs and scandinavian people look like ancient hellenic people

Avatar making me laugh so hard, literally.

Napisano przez avatar, 21.06.2018 at 18:33

In normal world .there Luxembourg region in Belgium and country Luxembourg
They dont have any problems.
But this is Balkanistan greeks are tard
After 500 years ottoman occupation people are crazy in balkan.But say thanks to Russia we give you independence from ottomans.
Ty to Russia turks lost balkan we get loyal ally against Austro-Hungarian Empire and Ottomans in that time


modern greek are not descendents of the famous hellenic people of the antique, but a"Turkish-molded mixture of Slavs, Byzantines and Albanians.


ancient hellenic people were big, blond and blue eyed, but modern Greeks are black haired and brown eyed small people.

Gg fockers slavs and scandinavian people look like ancient hellenic people

Still trolling

Napisano przez avatar, 21.06.2018 at 18:33

In normal world .there Luxembourg region in Belgium and country Luxembourg
They dont have any problems.
But this is Balkanistan greeks are tard
After 500 years ottoman occupation people are crazy in balkan.But say thanks to Russia we give you independence from ottomans.
Ty to Russia turks lost balkan we get loyal ally against Austro-Hungarian Empire and Ottomans in that time


modern greek are not descendents of the famous hellenic people of the antique, but a"Turkish-molded mixture of Slavs, Byzantines and Albanians.


ancient hellenic people were big, blond and blue eyed, but modern Greeks are black haired and brown eyed small people.

Gg fockers slavs and scandinavian people look like ancient hellenic people

So , Hellenics are the Germans and the Icelanders. xD

Napisano przez Cyan Spectre, 22.06.2018 at 02:20

Napisano przez avatar, 21.06.2018 at 18:33

In normal world .there Luxembourg region in Belgium and country Luxembourg
They dont have any problems.
But this is Balkanistan greeks are tard
After 500 years ottoman occupation people are crazy in balkan.But say thanks to Russia we give you independence from ottomans.
Ty to Russia turks lost balkan we get loyal ally against Austro-Hungarian Empire and Ottomans in that time


modern greek are not descendents of the famous hellenic people of the antique, but a"Turkish-molded mixture of Slavs, Byzantines and Albanians.


ancient hellenic people were big, blond and blue eyed, but modern Greeks are black haired and brown eyed small people.

Gg fockers slavs and scandinavian people look like ancient hellenic people

So , Hellenics are the Germans and the Icelanders. xD

I dont troll i tell you facts
Btw i forgot about Byzantia that was roman empire not greek empire another propaganda by modern greeks.
inhabitants of what we now call Greece called themselves Romans up to and during Ottoman control
Byzantian greeks is term used from modern historians
Byzantia was multi-ethnic empire:Thracians, Macedonians, Illyrians, Bythinians, Carians, Phrygians, Armenians, Lydians, Galatians, Paphlagonians, Lycians, Syrians, Cilicians, Misians, Cappadocians and Slavs

Napisano przez avatar, 22.06.2018 at 04:07

Napisano przez Cyan Spectre, 22.06.2018 at 02:20

Napisano przez avatar, 21.06.2018 at 18:33

In normal world .there Luxembourg region in Belgium and country Luxembourg
They dont have any problems.
But this is Balkanistan greeks are tard
After 500 years ottoman occupation people are crazy in balkan.But say thanks to Russia we give you independence from ottomans.
Ty to Russia turks lost balkan we get loyal ally against Austro-Hungarian Empire and Ottomans in that time


modern greek are not descendents of the famous hellenic people of the antique, but a"Turkish-molded mixture of Slavs, Byzantines and Albanians.


ancient hellenic people were big, blond and blue eyed, but modern Greeks are black haired and brown eyed small people.

Gg fockers slavs and scandinavian people look like ancient hellenic people

So , Hellenics are the Germans and the Icelanders. xD

I dont troll i tell you facts
Btw i forgot about Byzantia that was roman empire not greek empire another propaganda by modern greeks.
inhabitants of what we now call Greece called themselves Romans up to and during Ottoman control
Byzantian greeks is term used from modern historians
Byzantia was multi-ethnic empire:Thracians, Macedonians, Illyrians, Bythinians, Carians, Phrygians, Armenians, Lydians, Galatians, Paphlagonians, Lycians, Syrians, Cilicians, Misians, Cappadocians and Slavs

You give me facts? where is your facts? Keep trolling

More hellenic symbols



British east india company symbol


Its fact that Great powers Russia ,France ,Great Britain created Greece

Who is fakeland now with fake symbols???
With fake history fake nation

Napisano przez avatar, 22.06.2018 at 04:07

Napisano przez Cyan Spectre, 22.06.2018 at 02:20

Napisano przez avatar, 21.06.2018 at 18:33

In normal world .there Luxembourg region in Belgium and country Luxembourg
They dont have any problems.
But this is Balkanistan greeks are tard
After 500 years ottoman occupation people are crazy in balkan.But say thanks to Russia we give you independence from ottomans.
Ty to Russia turks lost balkan we get loyal ally against Austro-Hungarian Empire and Ottomans in that time


modern greek are not descendents of the famous hellenic people of the antique, but a"Turkish-molded mixture of Slavs, Byzantines and Albanians.


ancient hellenic people were big, blond and blue eyed, but modern Greeks are black haired and brown eyed small people.

Gg fockers slavs and scandinavian people look like ancient hellenic people

So , Hellenics are the Germans and the Icelanders. xD

I dont troll i tell you facts
Btw i forgot about Byzantia that was roman empire not greek empire another propaganda by modern greeks.
inhabitants of what we now call Greece called themselves Romans up to and during Ottoman control
Byzantian greeks is term used from modern historians
Byzantia was multi-ethnic empire:Thracians, Macedonians, Illyrians, Bythinians, Carians, Phrygians, Armenians, Lydians, Galatians, Paphlagonians, Lycians, Syrians, Cilicians, Misians, Cappadocians and Slavs

As for the Byzantine Empire , i never said it was a greek empire , After all it was named Eastern Rome Empire and after Byzantine . It was offically a Roman empire but all the people there had a greek culture ( All the eastern part of Roman Empire spoke greek ) and that was a result of hellinisism spread , and Alexander's Conquest. You have also saperated to many races , but in the fact all that races except Illyrians , Armenians , Syrians ,Slavs and Bythinians and perhaps cappadocians was greek tribes.

Look some facts : The Byzantine Empire was the continuation of the Eastern Roman Empire in the Greek-speaking, eastern part of the Mediterranean. Christian in nature, it was perennially at war with the Muslims, Flourishing during the reign of the Macedonian emperors, its demise was the consequence of attacks by Seljuk Turks, Crusaders, and Ottoman Turks. ----> https://www.ancient.eu/Byzantine_Empire/

The culture of Byzantium was rich and affluent, while science and technology also flourished. Very important for us, nowadays, was the Byzantine tradition of rhetoric and public debate. Philosophical and theological discources were important in public life, even emperors taking part in them. The debates kept knowledge and admiration for the GREEK philosophical and scientific heritage alive. Byzantine intellectuals quoted their classical predecessors with great respect, even though they had not been Christians. And although it was the Byzantine emperor Justinian who closed Plato's famous Academy of Athens in 529 CE, the Byzantines are also responsible for much of the passing on of the Greek legacy to the Muslims, who later helped Europe to explore this knowledge again and so stood at the beginning of European Renaissance.

In 394 The Emperor Theodocious declares Christianity the official religion of the empire.This is the beginning of the Byzantine empire which lasts a thousand years. GREEK replaces Latin as the official language, monasteries and churches are built and religious art in the form of frescos, icons and mosaics become the primary form of artistic expression in a society that has no separation of church and state whatsoever. In 529 the emperor Justinian conquers the land to the south as well as North Africa and Italy, then declares the study of the ancient GREEK philosophers of the classical period to be illegal. The only philosophy of the empire is to be Christian theology. The Church of Agia Sophia is built in the reign of Justinian. The church, named for the Holy Wisdom of God is the second largest temple ever built, after the Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem. The architects of this massive domed basilica are Anthemius from Tralles and Isidorus from Miletus.

Is he really trying to debate with memes?

Napisano przez Rock Lee, 22.06.2018 at 08:51

Is he really trying to debate with memes?

He says, he give us facts xD

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2Ff%2Ff8%2FFlag_of_Macedonia.svg%2F2000px-Flag_of_Macedonia.svg.png&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFlag_of_the_Republic_of_Macedonia&docid=wvBBHsEvUX4SvM&tbnid=0-oSnEq2iL8CfM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwiR6_yWuefbAhVEEJoKHVzcCEsQMwg2KAAwAA..i&w=2000&h=1000&bih=662&biw=1366&q=Fyrom%20%20flag&ved=0ahUKEwiR6_yWuefbAhVEEJoKHVzcCEsQMwg2KAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8

Your point is?

Napisano przez Cyan Spectre, 22.06.2018 at 09:09

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2Ff%2Ff8%2FFlag_of_Macedonia.svg%2F2000px-Flag_of_Macedonia.svg.png&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFlag_of_the_Republic_of_Macedonia&docid=wvBBHsEvUX4SvM&tbnid=0-oSnEq2iL8CfM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwiR6_yWuefbAhVEEJoKHVzcCEsQMwg2KAAwAA..i&w=2000&h=1000&bih=662&biw=1366&q=Fyrom%20%20flag&ved=0ahUKEwiR6_yWuefbAhVEEJoKHVzcCEsQMwg2KAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8

Your point is?

Go home, You are drunk

Napisano przez avatar, 22.06.2018 at 05:28

Its fact that Great powers Russia ,France ,Great Britain created Greece

Shut yo mouth, Lord Byron did