Macedonia counter

In Ancient 10k I used to think that mace was OP but now I actually think that sparta is a decent counter.

What do you think?

Noob Clovis...

Egypt can rush Greece, Sparta can (in certain circumstances) annoy Mace quite a lot since it fucks up Mace's natural expansion, Syria is on the same level as Mace and Thapsus is a heavy rival of Mace (economically and militarly).

Both of you are noobs.....Mace is the way, the truth, and the light!

Napisano przez Dizabo, 13.01.2016 at 07:45

Both of you are noobs.....Mace is the way, the truth, and the light!

OMG Dizzy is a mace narb...!!!!

Mesopotamia>all

Napisano przez Don, 13.01.2016 at 08:28

Mesopotamia>all
hibernia>all

Offcourse another khal innovation ( sparta as a counter to macedonia) highjacked by the community without credits given. Reminds me of khal uk and walls.

Napisano przez Khal.eesi, 13.01.2016 at 10:00

Offcourse another khal Epalka innovation ( sparta as a counter to macedonia) highjacked by the community without credits given.

I think that Sparta is decent counter mostly because of the unknown factor. Turn 1, and even turn 2/3 can be largely a guessing game of what countries to expand into. Hard rush into Athens? Expanding Into Italy/carth? Trying to hit Mac expansion with that 1 extra troop so you win it? Mac vs Sparta is very unpredictable which is I think why it balances it out slightly, but that said I think Mac inherently has the "advantage" so while Sparta might be a little more even than some other picks, I think Mac is still the stronger pick.

A better counter to Mac is Syria in my experience. But I am far from a great ancient player so maybe some like Google Chrome, Mr Army, Boulazro, Phoenix, or Kraigg (who already commented) would have better idea than me.

Napisano przez Prometheus, 13.01.2016 at 10:34

I think that Sparta is decent counter mostly because of the unknown factor. Turn 1, and even turn 2/3 can be largely a guessing game of what countries to expand into. Hard rush into Athens? Expanding Into Italy/carth? Trying to hit Mac expansion with that 1 extra troop so you win it? Mac vs Sparta is very unpredictable which is I think why it balances it out slightly, but that said I think Mac inherently has the "advantage" so while Sparta might be a little more even than some other picks, I think Mac is still the stronger pick.

A better counter to Mac is Syria in my experience. But I am far from a great ancient player so maybe some like Google Chrome, Mr Army, Boulazro, Phoenix, or Kraigg (who already commented) would have better idea than me.

Sparta, besides of having an uncertain expansion, is the middle of Mace's natural expansion, which is the biggest annoying factor for a mace player, since mace relys mostly on it's expansion and the income it gets from it. Sparta and Athens usually become one of the biggest income for Mace.
We also need to take into account that Spartan soldiers are freaking op, even more than greek phalanges, so that's another advantage.

Syria isn't a real counter, it's a country at nearly the same level as mace but with higher income possibilities maybe.

PS: Army = my dear noob wtf? zone, ferlucci, devil, twisted, etc. are the real ancient players XD

Napisano przez Prometheus, 13.01.2016 at 10:34

I think that Sparta is decent counter mostly because of the unknown factor. Turn 1, and even turn 2/3 can be largely a guessing game of what countries to expand into. Hard rush into Athens? Expanding Into Italy/carth? Trying to hit Mac expansion with that 1 extra troop so you win it? Mac vs Sparta is very unpredictable which is I think why it balances it out slightly, but that said I think Mac inherently has the "advantage" so while Sparta might be a little more even than some other picks, I think Mac is still the stronger pick.

I disagree. I actually agree with Clovis on this one, Sparta is by far, the best counter to mace. It isn't the only one though, camp and Egypt can work well.

Napisano przez RaulPB, 13.01.2016 at 11:35

PS: Army = my dear noob wtf? zone, ferlucci, devil, twisted, etc. are the real ancient players XD

Ahaha love you army <3. If you are talking about ancient ancient players, sure, deviL, Ferlucci, Twisted.... But if you want to come to this current century Kraigg, Boula, and Phoenix are the new pros....

Napisano przez clovis1122, 13.01.2016 at 04:31

In Ancient 10k I used to think that mace was OP but now I actually think that sparta is a decent counter.

What do you think?

Macedonia is still better....

IF = win, almost in a mid sucky land like Gaul or Mesopotamia (rich income so poor reinfs and expansion)

Napisano przez Google, 13.01.2016 at 13:36

Ahaha love you army <3. If you are talking about ancient ancient players, sure, deviL, Ferlucci, Twisted.... But if you want to come to this current century Kraigg, Boula, and Phoenix are the new pros....

Bla, I can beat any of you guys, I'm sure it's easy peasy compared to the cruelty you had to stand when playing against zone...

Napisano przez Google, 13.01.2016 at 13:32

I disagree. I actually agree with Clovis on this one, Sparta is by far, the best counter to mace. It isn't the only one though, camp and Egypt can work well.

Wrong. Camp is a really bad pick against mace since mace can rush Italy easily. Plus, don't understimate the power of Thapsus vs Mace... just a warning. Egypt can either be totally succesful or fail miserably. Syria is a far safer bet.

Napisano przez RaulPB, 13.01.2016 at 14:56

Napisano przez Google, 13.01.2016 at 13:32

I disagree. I actually agree with Clovis on this one, Sparta is by far, the best counter to mace. It isn't the only one though, camp and Egypt can work well.

Wrong. Camp is a really bad pick against mace since mace can rush Italy easily. Plus, don't understimate the power of Thapsus vs Mace... just a warning. Egypt can either be totally succesful or fail miserably. Syria is a far more safe bet.

Camp can always go Carthage

Napisano przez Google, 13.01.2016 at 15:34

Camp can always go Carthage

That's a wrong move there... leaving italy in total mercy of mace is a gg. What you usually want is to keep mace out of italy.

Napisano przez Kraigg, 06.02.2016 at 02:58

Lower Egypt is a bad pick, no matter the circumstances, too expensive, no specials, it just sucks

What? No especials? Bad pick? WHAT?

Napisano przez Kraigg, 06.02.2016 at 02:58

Syria s problem is income, ur only decent income targets are Egypt (16 freaking inf for ful country bonus) and Babylonia (which means u expand in the wrong direction). In the meantime Macedonia is free time get latium and Carthage and outnumber u in income and therefore specials. I would compare Syria vs Mace with Turkey vs Ukraine, as Syria ur one and only viable battle plan is rush T4...

Dude... Syria's zone income is stronger than that of Greece...... besides, if Mace decides to go for Africa and Italy, simply rush him and it's gg.... if he decides to slowroll you can beat him in the long run...

Napisano przez Kraigg, 06.02.2016 at 02:58

Sparta u depends extremely heavily on ur expansion as u have the same potential targets than mace while being outnumbered. So u got zerg rush a couple of cities hoping mace send the min amount of troops to same location. OR u expand "safely" to Carthage and try to put that extra 1700starting cash to good use... Either way it s tough vs a decent Mace player that understand Sparta struggle.

Agreed. It's either side of the coin.

Napisano przez Kraigg, 06.02.2016 at 02:58

Campania I would avoid at all cost u get weaker specials and as it was mentioned above u are right in the middle of mace expansion...

The worst thing that can happen to you is being rushed by mace, which is gg.

Napisano przez Kraigg, 06.02.2016 at 02:58

That leaves us with thapsus as I mo the best counter as 1) ur natural expansion zone is out of reach of mace 2) u start with more cash 3) u can still zerg rush 1 city in Italy

Agreed, though sometimes it's not a good idea to rush italy on your 1st turn, specially if mace plans on rushing Africa next.

Napisano przez Kraigg, 06.02.2016 at 02:58

I would compare Syria vs Mace with Turkey vs Ukraine, as Syria ur one and only viable battle plan is rush T4...

learn2turk.

Napisano przez Permamuted, 06.02.2016 at 09:27

Napisano przez Kraigg, 06.02.2016 at 02:58

I would compare Syria vs Mace with Turkey vs Ukraine, as Syria ur one and only viable battle plan is rush T4...

learn2turk.

Learn2mod

Napisano przez Waffel, 06.02.2016 at 11:27

Napisano przez Permamuted, 06.02.2016 at 09:27

Napisano przez Kraigg, 06.02.2016 at 02:58

I would compare Syria vs Mace with Turkey vs Ukraine, as Syria ur one and only viable battle plan is rush T4...

learn2turk.

Learn2mod

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Napisano przez Permamuted, 06.02.2016 at 11:40

Napisano przez Waffel, 06.02.2016 at 11:27

Napisano przez Permamuted, 06.02.2016 at 09:27

Napisano przez Kraigg, 06.02.2016 at 02:58

I would compare Syria vs Mace with Turkey vs Ukraine, as Syria ur one and only viable battle plan is rush T4...

learn2turk.

Learn2mod

learn2notstalkmeontheoforumsbulletwannabe

learn2admitlove

Make full Ancient game and play Persia or India, easy win and GG Europe.

Napisano przez Guest, 06.02.2016 at 15:48

"Let me post a clearly unbalanced setting but let me act like it's the other way around"

Make.

Europe >>>>> Asia by far.

Napisano przez clovis1122, 07.02.2016 at 00:15

Napisano przez Guest, 06.02.2016 at 15:48

"Let me post a clearly unbalanced setting but let me act like it's the other way around"

Make.

Europe >>>>> Asia by far.

China, India and Mid East > Europe.

Napisano przez Kraigg, 07.02.2016 at 02:28

Napisano przez Permamuted, 06.02.2016 at 09:27

Napisano przez Kraigg, 06.02.2016 at 02:58

I would compare Syria vs Mace with Turkey vs Ukraine, as Syria ur one and only viable battle plan is rush T4...

learn2turk.

Off topic comment seemingly only aimed at bragging how good u are at playing Turkey
I would expect better from a mod...
Sorry for trying to give quality feedback, if even mods troll, I guess I'm wasting my time...
Comedian disagree with some points but at least he s bringing value to the thread, you are not
Cheers

lighten up sunshine.

Napisano przez Guest, 07.02.2016 at 03:27

Napisano przez clovis1122, 07.02.2016 at 00:15

Napisano przez Guest, 06.02.2016 at 15:48

"Let me post a clearly unbalanced setting but let me act like it's the other way around"

Make.

Europe >>>>> Asia by far.

China, India and Mid East > Europe.

Can you get china before I crush you in middle east though? ^^.

Europe is richer than middle east and india, also easier to expand. Last time I checked rome and carthage where the richest cities of the map. Also, European special is stronger than middle east or indian. Macedonian Pharax and spartan hopites can only be matched by Qin crossbow and that is a heck far of the battlefield.

You can either fight Europe early or Rush for whole Asia. In either of the sides you will end up fighting an opponent which have better income, reinf and special than you. Hard to win or hold.

Napisano przez Kraigg, 07.02.2016 at 02:28

Napisano przez Permamuted, 06.02.2016 at 09:27

Napisano przez Kraigg, 06.02.2016 at 02:58

I would compare Syria vs Mace with Turkey vs Ukraine, as Syria ur one and only viable battle plan is rush T4...

learn2turk.

Off topic comment seemingly only aimed at bragging how good u are at playing Turkey

Oh look I'm just taking math logic in this trimester on the university. So let me give a hand here.

Make p: Laochra thinks that Kraigg doesn't know Turkey.

Then you can't conclude that lao meant that he know turkey, or that he is stronger than you. Premises doesn't works the other way around.

Napisano przez Kraigg, 07.02.2016 at 09:20

Math logic applied to atwar posts, nice try. It is a well documented fact that Lao considers himself as the best Turkey slow roller in atwar, which is probably true, doesnt make his comment constructive though

wheres this well documented? You claim you were attempting to give quality feedback while telling people their best shot at beating ukraine as turk in a 1v1 is to t4 rush. This is an incorrect and i daresay an inexperienced perspective.

Sadly it is a common view, there are quite a few high elo players who wont play against ukraine as turk. I remained over 1500 elo for over year dueling fairly consistenty with ukraine/turk duels as my primary setting. Mostly turk because the ukraine players wouldnt play it. Most of them just arent good at using imperialist efficiently.

Chess zone and clovis are all very good. A r8 called alphab whos duel i was watching recently did pretty well with it too. He made a better attempt at turk than most higher ranks. You're making an awful lot of assumptions about me, and you're attempting to criticise me as a mod. I suggest you take my original flippant comment of learn2turk and run with it.