After all this time..

How about if you were playing for various years and suddenly realize something is not working as expected?

Back in ~2 years, Tigro told me that the bonus wasn't working on neutral cities. I made some tests back then and confirmed they weren't indeed, working on neutrals. I wondered if they weren't working on player's units too back then but didn't though there was a way to prove it. This knowledge about neutrals had been in forums for quite much time.

Tigro and Laochra recently discovered the bonus wasn't working on players, too. Tigro told me it was happening only sometimes with Perfect Defense (PD). I, then, made some tests of DS vs PD and though the bug was when applying two different bonuses to the unit. I perform around 3 tests, and the last one, Blitz vs None, confirmed that the bug was actually affecting all the units with the city bonuses, and it wasn't happening random, but all the times.

This bug was fixed recently, which can be traduced that PD infantries earned +2 defense. General infantries earned +1 defense, and the militias also earned +1 defense when playing GW or PD. I perform 8 tests in HTML between RA vs PD, 8 vs 8, and RA only won once.



Some hours later Laochra asked me to help him with some tests. It was 10 vs 10 between MoS vs PD, and this time MoS didn't won even once.



PD had become superop, one of the first things I did was dueling just to see how strong it can be. I played a stalling germany against Batman, and it performed quite well. He couldn't beat my def while I had free expansion.

Where's the irony? I've laugh hard at how several players wanted to change the mechanics, and 'though' they did something, but it never happened. They "though" blitz was nerfed, but in fact, it was never changed. Ukraine blitz was as strong as it used to be, until this morning.

I haven't see a single cry thread about blitz in all this time. The only thing this proves is that if you make them believe that you did something, even a single time, they won't question themselves. They will ignore the gameplay and skip the tests, and accept the change as a truth. Were those players who wanted to Nerf blitz actually performing tests?

I wonder so.

Right now the bonus is also applied to Neutral infantries - which mean they're a little stronger than they used to be (+1 def). After all this time, I wonder if we are going to be able to adapt to this new, unseen bonus.

I propose -1 def to PD infantries and just sit & watch the show. That would give them 8 total defense, which comes to be the attack of SM bombers, MoS marines, Blitz/None/LB/IF/..... tanks, etc.

I fear IF will take the best out of it (+1 def +2 HP). But making a conclusion about a new feature without testing it is kinda werd.

Let's just wait and see how it goes.

Edit: After 1 day I can say, the bonus in the standard infantries are really strong. This, along with the last unit bug, unbalances the game. I'll support the removal of the bonus and later on, implement them after a discussion...

I dont get it. ;_; Pls explain.

Napisano przez Waffel, 06.09.2015 at 07:59

I dont get it. ;_; Pls explain.

A TL;DR is PD didn't have the +2 defense bonus in city/wall because of a bug. Well, it did but not all the time. And it wasn't only with PD. So this made RA tanks, MoS marines, SM bombers etc stronger than they should be against infs.
Now it's fixed and should work fine 100% of the times. And if PD was already good, this should make it really, really strong. Probably gonna need a nerf but we don't know yet.

Blitz was nerfed for a few days until admins felt bad for el creyente and croat crying so much in forums and they changed it back to how it was. As for neutrals, i already knew they had no bonus applied

Interesting fact... that explains why RA felt so strong compared to PD...

Someone should post this to the nerf RA Threat that is out now.

Hahahahahahaha
Take that, RA

Actually this is very valid point. Most of us assume things to be true. It's time to test these assumptions more often.

Yeah, I wonder if anything else might be bugged.

After all this time..

You realise bonker was right. Have a nice fucking day.

Napisano przez b0nker2, 06.09.2015 at 15:53

You realise bonker was right. Have a nice fucking day.

ILMAO.

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Well I've changed my mind in regard to the bonus. After 1 day to test I can feel how those neutral infantries are trully op. The problem is that, after the stacking bonus was confirmed, the offensives units had this bonus against infantries, while infantries had the "Last unit" bug in their side. I though it was a little balanced.

Now that the infantries have more defense, they get the stacking bonus instead of the offensive units. They have two mechanics under their control, and I've see a lot of players (Hi Stryko) failing against 1 infantry due to this. Even -1 defense won't do much as long as the last unit bug exist.

I will try and PM Amok to see if he can get this bug fixed or change it to a more even mechanic for decide draws in this game. I do support for now, as I've PM Cthulhu, to remove all the "Bonus from cities" and implement them slowly, because we have a lot of time for that.