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Napisano przez nightslasha, 13.10.2013 - 04:06
*The main idea was here but this is a whole new one illustrated with better solutions.

READ COMPLETELY BEFORE VOTING.

Main points to be discussed:
1- Cancel Game.
2- The sanctions to be set against the leavers.
3- More ideas, rectifications.
4- Voting.

1- Cancel Game:

1.1) Creating the Cancel Game button and how it works:
The cancel game button will serve the players ingame to leave the game without being quitters, how? It will have the same concept as the "change game settings", when a player clicks on "Cancel Game" it will automatically send a warning in the next turn to all the players, for example "nightslasha proposed to Cancel this game". The rest of the players ingame will be able to choose whether to Cancel the game or to keep it running: The simple majority will decide (just like the change game settings feature).

1.2) Keeping the original Leave/Exit/Quit button:
Yes, there will be 3 buttons: Surrender, Leave/Exit/Quit and Cancel Game. Why should we keep the original button ? It will allow the leavers to leave instantly without closing the game/browser - There will be sanctions while you continue reading - Let's say one doesn't care about the sanctions so he presses Leave/Exit/Quit button. You might think it's useless I know, but keep in mind that Leavers will have to Alt+F4 their game/browser in order to stay away from sanctions so it's harder and might have to think twice.

1.3) Power shutdowns, internet and similar causes:
If you're wondering how will DCed players, or those who lost power and if the PC blocked/turned off, well the atWar staff should be able to limit the sanctions to the "Leave/Quit/Exit" button and to protect disconnected players from any sanctions.

1.4) I leave before I lose, what should I do?:
Losed games have been removed from the profile and now it shows the games you've left and not lost, so if you think leavers might be the players who don't like to "lose"/"surrender" it's now the abandoned percentage that shows your identity.. So no need to "Leave game" now and they will be protected from the sanctions..

2- The sanctions to be set against the leavers:

Well we all hate them, so I think any tough sanction would benefit us all. But here's some ideas:
- In scenarios, leavers lose SP or any hard sanction against them since scenarios need every nation/player to be present or the game isn't fair.
- In normal games, leavers have to wait for a period of 5-15 minutes or any period of time related to the time he spent in the game. What do I mean? If I've been playing for an hour and made a big empire like anyone else in the game, leaving would be crucial for my allies and some players leaving them with neutral cities and open borders. So for instance: 2 hours of gameplay is 15 minutes on hold and unallowed to join any other game. I'm just flashing numbers as an example but you can decide later, the important thing is the concept.
- Now if you want to make it fair, Scenario Leavers are suspended from any other scenario for the period of time (discussed in the idea above) however they can join duels, normal games. Normal Game Leavers are suspended from any other normal game and etc..

3- More ideas, rectifications:

Thanks for reading and if you got any more ideas or if you want to rectify (edit) any of the suggestions i proposed please go ahead and comment.

- Sanctions should be by IP and not by account, since the trollers can just switch to their alts and continue their trolling. (Updated by MoS)
- Power shutdowns and similar unwanted causes should be differed from the actual leavers. (Updated by Black Hole)
- Sanctions must be even more cruel: suspension and losing SP if leaving a game before week 5-6(300 or 500 SP). (Updated by Cossack)
- There will be a Leaver Ratio which will sanction players who leave a lot (at a high ratio) but will tolerate with the newly leavers (at a low ration). (Updated by Nero)
- A single game can be leaved with no ration affection therefore mapmakers and testers are safe. (Updated by El Fin)
- People who have their percentage of left games about 50% will have a mark/flag next to their names and game hosts will be aware of those players - Hosts are free to kick them or to let them play. (Updated by raetahcodeupon)

4- Voting:

- If you are completely with this idea VOTE YES.
- If you are completely against this idea (you don't want leavers to be sanctioned) VOTE NO.
- If you are partially with this idea (In some points you disagree but in others you agree) VOTE PARTIALLY.
IF YOU VOTE PARTIALLY: Please state what do you want to be changed, in your comment!

NOTE THAT: Partially votes are counted as YES (but they requested something to be changed and that thing was changed).

Sonda

Do you agree with the proposition?

Yes.
17
No.
22
Partially.
19

Łączna ilość głosów: 53
14.10.2013 - 14:33
Napisano przez Guest, 14.10.2013 at 14:19

Napisano przez nightslasha, 14.10.2013 at 10:23

*** Updated ***

Added those 2 ideas:

- There will be a Leaver Ratio which will sanction players who leave a lot (at a high ratio) but will tolerate with the newly leavers (at a low ration). (Updated by Nero)
- A single game can be leaved with no ration affection therefore mapmakers and testers are safe. (Updated by El Fin)
Wasn't 1 my idea?


Eum you said 4th game and so on, it's just more developed to put the ratio setting.. Same idea though thanks!
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14.10.2013 - 14:34
 Utah
I support. STOP LEAVERS!
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14.10.2013 - 14:45
Support.

1 minor issue: If your enemies team up against you and change the game settings to your disadvantage, you should not be penalized for leaving.

Proposed modification: The turn after settings are changed, leaving should be allowed without penalty.
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14.10.2013 - 14:45
Why did you vote Partially lol ? I know it means Yes but it's for the ones who supports and add a new idea/rectify an idea..
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14.10.2013 - 14:47
Napisano przez Grimm, 14.10.2013 at 14:45

Support.

1 minor issue: If your enemies team up against you and change the game settings to your disadvantage, you should not be penalized for leaving.

Proposed modification: The turn after settings are changed, leaving should be allowed without penalty.


If they are a majority, you should surrender not leave.. It's the same end.
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14.10.2013 - 14:52
Napisano przez nightslasha, 14.10.2013 at 14:47
Napisano przez Grimm, 14.10.2013 at 14:45
Support.

1 minor issue: If your enemies team up against you and change the game settings to your disadvantage, you should not be penalized for leaving.

Proposed modification: The turn after settings are changed, leaving should be allowed without penalty.


If they are a majority, you should surrender not leave.. It's the same end.
I don't think so. First, if you surrender, you are penalized because you lose SP and you get a loss. Second, you might have won if game options were not changed (for example: new options allow latejoin OR change the timer so you have no time to make all your moves). People ganging up on you and changing game settings when they are unable to win is common problem. You should be allowed to just leave when that happens.
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14.10.2013 - 17:52
Why is there even a vote.

Of course there should be, it's not rocket science.
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TJM !!!
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15.10.2013 - 04:41
Napisano przez Skittzophrenic, 14.10.2013 at 17:52

Why is there even a vote.

Of course there should be, it's not rocket science.


I know right..
It's winning though (Partially voters had their ideas updated)
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15.10.2013 - 10:17
Iam epic leaver and dont support this,
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15.10.2013 - 13:11
U SdUCK then my friend..
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15.10.2013 - 16:16
*** Updated ***

1.4) I leave before I lose, what should I do?:
Losed games have been removed from the profile and now it shows the games you've left and not lost, so if you think leavers might be the players who don't like to "lose"/"surrender" it's now the abandoned percentage that shows your identity.. So no need to "Leave game" now and they will be protected from the sanctions..
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18.10.2013 - 07:03
BUMP

Yes: 34
No: 18
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