Reality Check: Picks. [and strategies!]

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Napisano przez The Tactician, 28.06.2014 - 06:58

Hallo my fellow at-warriors. I honestly couldn't suppress the urge to bitch about this picking things in CWs because of a situation that happened. We were starting a CW with CT all going well, and then the picks began. It seems their plan over the next three remakes what to get Karsan as Spain(which is fine if you can handle a uk germ combo...) . So we got first pick Stryko picked Ukr, Innate Turk (which is a fair east for east, now every time gets a west powerhouse and we're fine), Desu went Germany, and then Karsan Spain. This is where things shifted. Karsan picked Spain instead of Germany , and that gave me the opportunity to go UK which is the 2nd west powerhouse. So I did. Now all the "lol"/" no uk germany"/"noob" comments happen and the answer is really simple. You gave it to us. The thing is, certain clans want certain people to play certain countries. That is honestly very single minded. Good clans should the goal of all members being able to play all countries. The other clans hide behind the illusion of the "no uk germ" rule because they can't play all countries and have to pick one particular country and expect their other clan mate to pick it because of this rule. That is not versatile. People are getting so used to the west+powerhouse+east setup that its just a series of dull memorization and application. Yes this setup is the most balanced and the most used, but that does not mean people can't adapt to getting stuck with uk germ or turk ukraine. If someone picks Spain over Germany thats their fault. More so if people pick west (cuz they can't play was and they have a better west combo) so their teammate gets east using the leverage of the no turk ukr rule then by all means the other clan picks east. You gave up on the opportunity to get the stronger country because you can't play that then its your fault for your incapability. Besides, UK Germany combo is beatable. Stronger, but beatable. Ukr Turk is even stronger but then again its your fault for letting such a crucial pick slip. So please stop hiding behind the no uk germ rule and start manning up and play any country. This rule only encourages mechanic moves because used to playing a certain country in a certain combo.

Oh I forgot. Next two remakes they wanted Buffalo east and Karsan Spain so Innate took the power pick (can't remember if uk or germany), then Karsan Spain. Thank you for giving yourselves the west advantage and us Ukr Turk. : )

PS: If I had Stryko and Desu on my team and had to go east I would or I'd risk a Turk Ukr combo without crying.

This isn't a shitpost to CT this is just using the most recent example to prove a point. We've had the same troubles before.

Columna Durruti Inglourious Basterds Posty: 6899 Od: Kostaryka	29.06.2014 - 09:49 Columna Durruti Napisano przez minusSeven, 29.06.2014 at 09:36 Napisano przez Columna Durruti, 29.06.2014 at 09:27 Pick whatever you have/want to pick, but don't expect the opponent to "respect" the (in)famous "no UKR+TUR" or "no UK+GER". If you miss a good pick, don't complain afterwards. If you pick UK or GER first, make sure that a fellow players picks UKR or TUR second and not SPA and then complain that the other team has got UKR + TUR. The wonders of being a MOD. Pick any rule you want and make it official as if everyone agrees to it. As I have said so many times IT IS NOT UPTO YOU BUT UPTO THE CLANS WHO ARE PLAYING As tophats said you can literally choose what you want there is nothing wrong with it. I completely agree to this but many clans won't and there is nothing wrong with it. It is all upto the clans in question and it makes no sense to put any rules here. That is all I am saying here. There is a difference with WF'ing or the "no-UKR+TUR-no-GER+UK-rule": WF'ing can't be countered and the "no-UKR+TUR-no-GER+UK-rule" can be countered by choosing opponent and whether he accepts this condition or by not skipping picks. If do not skip picks, the worst scenario is UK+GER+3rd pick vs. UKR+TUR+3rd pick. So don't compare them as "non written rules". Btw. stop insinuating that I'm defining things here. Ofc. it is UPTO the clns defining their conditions for playing a specific CW (choosing their opponents, conditions and picks). OBVIOUSLY!!!! ---- Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
Leaf Stalins Martians Posty: 723 Od: Korea, South	29.06.2014 - 09:54 Leaf Please, guys. We have Vdog and Bertank. We can't be THAT mean. What I really mean is: This thread is retarded, not to mention the shitposts, including this one. I'm sure all the players that actually matter are already aware of any problems concerning this. Others, are simply too dense to get it through their thick skull. Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
minusSeven Posty: 704 Od: Indie	29.06.2014 - 09:57 minusSeven Cytuj: Napisano przez The Tactician, 29.06.2014 at 09:39 Napisano przez minusSeven, 29.06.2014 at 09:36 As tophats said you can literally choose what you want there is nothing wrong with it. I completely agree to this but many clans won't and there is nothing wrong with it. It is all upto the clans in question and it makes no sense to put any rules here. That is all I am saying here. Sigh... We've established that you can pick what you want. We've also established that if you pass on a country the other team has the right to pick it. OP combo or not, you let it slip. That is the point. I love how we agree to disagree and still end up going in circles arguing about it. As I said over and over again its all upto the clans and what they feel is right. No member of CT came here to post anything about it. So in essence SM are the guys crying about how CT have some preference won't budge. So in retrospect the problem(in my opinion) is with SM. This is just my opinion and please don't post saying how wrong I am because then again it would be your opinion. There is no point continuing this thread further lets just all agree to disagree and lock it. ---- Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
minusSeven Posty: 704 Od: Indie	29.06.2014 - 09:58 minusSeven Napisano przez Columna Durruti, 29.06.2014 at 09:49 Napisano przez minusSeven, 29.06.2014 at 09:36 Napisano przez Columna Durruti, 29.06.2014 at 09:27 Pick whatever you have/want to pick, but don't expect the opponent to "respect" the (in)famous "no UKR+TUR" or "no UK+GER". If you miss a good pick, don't complain afterwards. If you pick UK or GER first, make sure that a fellow players picks UKR or TUR second and not SPA and then complain that the other team has got UKR + TUR. The wonders of being a MOD. Pick any rule you want and make it official as if everyone agrees to it. As I have said so many times IT IS NOT UPTO YOU BUT UPTO THE CLANS WHO ARE PLAYING As tophats said you can literally choose what you want there is nothing wrong with it. I completely agree to this but many clans won't and there is nothing wrong with it. It is all upto the clans in question and it makes no sense to put any rules here. That is all I am saying here. There is a difference with WF'ing or the "no-UKR+TUR-no-GER+UK-rule": WF'ing can't be countered and the "no-UKR+TUR-no-GER+UK-rule" can be countered by choosing opponent and whether he accepts this condition or by not skipping picks. If do not skip picks, the worst scenario is UK+GER+3rd pick vs. UKR+TUR+3rd pick. So don't compare them as "non written rules". Btw. stop insinuating that I'm defining things here. Ofc. it is UPTO the clns defining their conditions for playing a specific CW (choosing their opponents, conditions and picks). OBVIOUSLY!!!! I agree. And sorry for insinuating as I a felt you were trying to impose your rule here being a mod. ---- Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
JUGERS2 Posty: 2866 Od: Kosovo	29.06.2014 - 10:02 JUGERS2 Cytuj: Napisano przez minusSeven, 29.06.2014 at 09:57 Napisano przez The Tactician, 29.06.2014 at 09:39 Napisano przez minusSeven, 29.06.2014 at 09:36 As tophats said you can literally choose what you want there is nothing wrong with it. I completely agree to this but many clans won't and there is nothing wrong with it. It is all upto the clans in question and it makes no sense to put any rules here. That is all I am saying here. Sigh... We've established that you can pick what you want. We've also established that if you pass on a country the other team has the right to pick it. OP combo or not, you let it slip. That is the point. I love how we agree to disagree and still end up going in circles arguing about it. As I said over and over again its all upto the clans and what they feel is right. No member of CT came here to post anything about it. So in essence SM are the guys crying about how CT have some preference won't budge. So in retrospect the problem(in my opinion) is with SM. This is just my opinion and please don't post saying how wrong I am because then again it would be your opinion. There is no point continuing this thread further lets just all agree to disagree and lock it. Read again...I was inactive for some days and any other for CT care for forums espect me.I posted some quontes here today and cleared my position: I agree with tac opinion . ---- Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
Leaf Stalins Martians Posty: 723 Od: Korea, South	29.06.2014 - 10:06 Leaf Napisano przez minusSeven, 29.06.2014 at 09:36 IT IS NOT UP TO YOU BUT UP TO THE CLANS WHO ARE PLAYING I can not begin to describe what kind of problems this causes. This statement is wrong on too many levels. Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
The Tactician ConstellationDivided Posty: 4108 Od: Egipt	29.06.2014 - 10:06 The Tactician I'm going with Leaf's post to say that "I'm sure all the players that actually matter are already aware of any problems concerning this. Others, are simply too dense to get it through their thick skull." Minus, I replied to you. You are just repeating urself a million times. This isn't SM crying about CT, read my last line of the OP. Jugers posted and said he's convincing CT members about this pick thing. More than enough for me. When you post, might as well actually get your facts straight first. The problem is not with SM. Everyone has agreed to this omg. Just stop posting please because you're shitting all over the thread and disregarding its purpose which I have posted a million times. We are going around in circles because all you're trying to prove is the SM are butthurt. You know what? You are butthurt. This thread made you butthurt because its forces you to pop out of your no uk germ no ukr turk rule. Im not asking to get this thread locked because I've agreed to disagree with you, and I've agreed with everyone else(except clovis). You want it locked because you want everything the same. Have it your way, everything will be the same for you. Now go away and stop posting. Leaf is still right: "I'm sure all the players that actually matter are already aware of any problems concerning this. Others, are simply too dense to get it through their thick skull." ---- We are not the same - I am a Martian. We are not the same - I am a... divided constellation? Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
minusSeven Posty: 704 Od: Indie	29.06.2014 - 10:15 minusSeven Napisano przez Leaf, 29.06.2014 at 10:06 Napisano przez minusSeven, 29.06.2014 at 09:36 IT IS NOT UP TO YOU BUT UP TO THE CLANS WHO ARE PLAYING I can not begin to describe what kind of problems this causes. This statement is wrong on too many levels. Then say what you think is wrong as clearly as possible. Not too long ago Opisani were playing ancients were ancients decided optiasani picks of france uk turkey was too OP for them and didn't CW. At that moment they were made fun of in the clan lobby. This is just an example and I guess there is very little you can do about it. It is just a game at the end of the day and you have to adjust a bit to play with everyone. Hopefully that won't prove too hard. ---- Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
tophat Posty: 3885 Od: Canada	29.06.2014 - 10:30 tophat Cytuj: Napisano przez The Tactician, 29.06.2014 at 08:52 Napisano przez tophat, 29.06.2014 at 08:41 No tactician. It should be: pick whatever you want, literally. You can pick spain first, and let second or third ally pick turkey or ukraine. Yes, but if they go first two picks west the other team has the right to Ukr Turk. No? This is what I believe because first two west picks gives an advantage in west thats being exploited by no ukr turk. No, doesn't matter, pick what you want at all times. If you pick Uk, and they pick ukraine. You can pick germany. They will prob pick Turkey. Oh well. Your fault. I agree that this scenario is being exploited, but that's because the "no turk-ukr" rule. Napisano przez The Tactician, 29.06.2014 at 08:52 In other words, you can pick what you want and if you're stupid enough to get stuck against an OP combo thats ur fault. Yes. ---- Don't trust the manipulative rabbit. Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
minusSeven Posty: 704 Od: Indie	29.06.2014 - 10:35 minusSeven Napisano przez The Tactician, 29.06.2014 at 10:06 I'm going with Leaf's post to say that "I'm sure all the players that actually matter are already aware of any problems concerning this. Others, are simply too dense to get it through their thick skull." Minus, I replied to you. You are just repeating urself a million times. This isn't SM crying about CT, read my last line of the OP. Jugers posted and said he's convincing CT members about this pick thing. More than enough for me. When you post, might as well actually get your facts straight first. The problem is not with SM. Everyone has agreed to this omg. Just stop posting please because you're shitting all over the thread and disregarding its purpose which I have posted a million times. We are going around in circles because all you're trying to prove is the SM are butthurt. You know what? You are butthurt. This thread made you butthurt because its forces you to pop out of your no uk germ no ukr turk rule. Im not asking to get this thread locked because I've agreed to disagree with you, and I've agreed with everyone else(except clovis). You want it locked because you want everything the same. Have it your way, everything will be the same for you. Now go away and stop posting. Leaf is still right: "I'm sure all the players that actually matter are already aware of any problems concerning this. Others, are simply too dense to get it through their thick skull." Ok I won't say anything anymore. Just that stop saying everyone agrees with you without any proofs as this is clearly not true. And btw I am not butt hurt not even close(butthurt of SM of all clans ). This wasn't even against my clan and I have no problems in uk germany combo(about ukr-turkey most clans I play with simply don't take it as it is not a norm). I just said what is my opinion. You inability to argue is what makes you butthurt. I have nothing against SM nor will I ever have. I don't think I ever said anything irrational just what was my opinion. Don't know what makes you angry with me. And I reason why I wanted the post to be locked is because it is just a matter of opinion nothing else. ---- Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
The Tactician ConstellationDivided Posty: 4108 Od: Egipt	29.06.2014 - 10:41 The Tactician Not angry. Merely discussion. Go back and check all the posts, pick out someone who didn't agree except you and Clovis. You're saying it wasn't against you're clan and you don't care, so please stop posting. >My inability to argue makes me butthurt. >Coming from the person who repeated the exact same post five times in a row to five different people (please don't take every word i say literally) Sure. Ive gave you my points, yet you've ignored them and repeated yourself again previously. Read up. Now you're just arguing for the sake of it you've already admitted it wasn't against your clan and you have nothing against uk germany. Stop shitting. Leaf is still right. ---- We are not the same - I am a Martian. We are not the same - I am a... divided constellation? Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
Leaf Stalins Martians Posty: 723 Od: Korea, South	29.06.2014 - 10:54 Leaf Napisano przez minusSeven, 29.06.2014 at 09:36 IT IS NOT UP TO YOU BUT UP TO THE CLANS WHO ARE PLAYING It's up to the clans who are playing. Sure, which means that you, yourself are part of that too. Besides the literal fact, what you propose is just too subjective. Yes, it is just a game, I see it that way too, but not everyone does. Especially in regards to clan wars which are strictly competitive. But the way different people view things is a different matter, so we'll assume everyone takes this serious because we're talking about clan wars, which I again repeat that it is strictly competitive. What I mean by subjective is that, 2 clans can have totally different definitions of leniency towards what can be done in clan wars, so it can prove to be difficult and time consuming to reach a consensus if we were to do this for each and every clan. This is why it's easier for everyone to follow 1 set of guideline to follow. Not only does this make everything easier, it makes it fair for everyone. This is important because clan wars also dictate seasonal winners meaning, a set of rules need to be followed by all to allow all clans an equal chance of winning such a title. And if you want a specific reason to why, or how this sort of "restriction" to picking plays a part in all this, refer to my posts in this thread.. Nevermind, I think Laochra deleted that thread shortly after I convinced him why it wasn't as broken as he initially thought it was. To put it shortly as possible: While the game offers several power picks, this picking method forces players to consider other options as to avoid certain combinations that may seem to be stronger than others. This is not a bad thing. I hope Laochra doesn't mind when I tell you to refer to him for details. Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
Fockmeeard Stalins Martians Posty: 718 Od: USA	29.06.2014 - 12:14 Fockmeeard Wow. Why are we discussing? If they pick western countries for their first two picks, we will just pick Ukr+Turk. They can whine and complain and bitch and leave the game, attempting to force a remake, except we won't remake due to their faggotry. Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
The Tactician ConstellationDivided Posty: 4108 Od: Egipt	29.06.2014 - 12:23 The Tactician Don't you think its better to prevent the whining and bitching and actually play the CW? Hence the thread. ---- We are not the same - I am a Martian. We are not the same - I am a... divided constellation? Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
Buffalo Soldier Losers Queue Posty: 316 Od: Ukraina	29.06.2014 - 13:20 Buffalo Soldier all what i can say about SM "1st pick" Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
JUGERS2 Posty: 2866 Od: Kosovo	29.06.2014 - 13:37 JUGERS2 Napisano przez Buffalo Soldier, 29.06.2014 at 13:20 all what i can say about SM "1st pick" Stf buff learn to play fair..i have done this argue million times to cln chat but i think u have a problem that cant listen others...talk me to cln chat cuse i dont want me and u spaming and arguing to tac topic. ---- Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
The Tactician ConstellationDivided Posty: 4108 Od: Egipt	29.06.2014 - 13:46 The Tactician Well thank Jugers for trying but you see, this has nothing to do with being polite/no polite. Sorry we will not abide by no uk germ no turk ukr if u try to give urself an advantage by exploiting it. (giving urself better west combo, saving east to ur best player blah blah I've been over this a million times.) ---- We are not the same - I am a Martian. We are not the same - I am a... divided constellation? Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
Buffalo Soldier Losers Queue Posty: 316 Od: Ukraina	29.06.2014 - 13:54 Buffalo Soldier Ok, u picked Ukr first i dunno go turk and i did not pick anything (no west advantage) will u pick turkey? Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
The Tactician ConstellationDivided Posty: 4108 Od: Egipt	29.06.2014 - 14:15 The Tactician In that particular situation no I don't think so. You could just PR this btw. ---- We are not the same - I am a Martian. We are not the same - I am a... divided constellation? Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
Buffalo Soldier Losers Queue Posty: 316 Od: Ukraina	29.06.2014 - 14:38 Buffalo Soldier I just want test is SM just looking for easy way to win CW Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
The Tactician ConstellationDivided Posty: 4108 Od: Egipt	29.06.2014 - 14:39 The Tactician No. We go at rank disadvantage and play. That should say enough. ---- We are not the same - I am a Martian. We are not the same - I am a... divided constellation? Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
V-dog115 Epic Clan Posty: 375	29.06.2014 - 14:41 V-dog115 You're making no sense. ---- The funny thing about this is by the time you realize that this is completely pointless, it's too late to stop reading. Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
Goblin Stalins Martians Posty: 3290 Od: Chorwacja	29.06.2014 - 15:21 Goblin Sm looking for an easy way xD ...that was the funniest post ever. A clan who basicly plays with all his players, players who play any country ...instead of doin what every clan is basicly doin, using only their best over and over again and again with the same fuckin country over and over until they can do it in their sleep and then you will cry if you cant play with that country. Pfffft. ---- Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
JUGERS2 Posty: 2866 Od: Kosovo	29.06.2014 - 15:50 JUGERS2 Napisano przez Goblin, 29.06.2014 at 15:21 Sm looking for an easy way xD ...that was the funniest post ever. A clan who basicly plays with all his players, players who play any country ...instead of doin what every clan is basicly doin, using only their best over and over again and again with the same fuckin country over and over until they can do it in their sleep and then you will cry if you cant play with that country. Pfffft. Is like i must go to SM to cw...xD ---- Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
clovis1122 Epic Clan Posty: 9043 Od: Dominikana	29.06.2014 - 15:53 clovis1122 Napisano przez Buffalo Soldier, 29.06.2014 at 13:54 Ok, u picked Ukr first i dunno go turk and i did not pick anything (no west advantage) will u pick turkey? Napisano przez The Tactician, 29.06.2014 at 14:15 In that particular situation no I don't think so. You could just PR this btw. Yes they do buffalo. Me and tac already argue about Skip pick. " is your fault if you pass pick". in short terms. First pick, second pick, third pick, whatever, still your fault for skip it. I dont see the sense with this topic since ALL OTHER CLANS would accept a tie or accept "skip picks" exept SM. So just ignore and keep playing Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
InnateWonder Crimson Tide Posty: 115	29.06.2014 - 16:06 InnateWonder Tbh, Idc we play the same as every other clan, you pick us out because we just simply said no over powering advantage. Make the Game as even as possible not look for a scenario where you have the overwhelming advantage before that game starts. ---- [img]http://i62.tinypic.com/t7zo9c.jpg[/img] Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
Goblin Stalins Martians Posty: 3290 Od: Chorwacja	29.06.2014 - 16:32 Goblin Napisano przez InnateWonder, 29.06.2014 at 16:06 Tbh, Idc we play the same as every other clan, you pick us out because we just simply said no over powering advantage. Make the Game as even as possible not look for a scenario where you have the overwhelming advantage before that game starts. There is no possible way that one clan can get "over powering advantage" if you do the right picks ...there is no problem, absolutly no problem. ---- Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
The Tactician ConstellationDivided Posty: 4108 Od: Egipt	29.06.2014 - 16:59 The Tactician No Buffalo Clovis is trying to launch another personal attack. If you skip ur first pick i guess its fine. If you pick two west before east then we pick a 2nd east. Its simple. ---- We are not the same - I am a Martian. We are not the same - I am a... divided constellation? Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
Stryko Konto skasowane	29.06.2014 - 17:48 Stryko Konto skasowane Clan wars are competitive. If you want to be competitive you should be able to play every country. If you can't then don't play CWs and we wouldn't need to pick ukr+turk or UK+turk. Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...
Leaf Stalins Martians Posty: 723 Od: Korea, South	29.06.2014 - 19:42 Leaf If you're aiming to achieve a completely fair gameplay, you might as well play clan wars in casual lobby, that way each and every player has enough time. Your arguments are as shit as this. Let's not forget the ability to adapt to both time and situation is a skill. This is called competitive for a reason. Get used to it. Wczytywanie... Wczytywanie...

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