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I might be a couple minutes late guys... trying to get back home fast as I can

Napisano przez Sid, 25.09.2021 at 14:01

We'll never know because China banned gaming except for like 1 hour a day.

Perfect for casual... could you imagine 100 million people playing a casual turn each day ♥
Dave should contact the Chinese government and sell AW on it's 'strategic - logistic development, pro-social teamwork, and of course, world geography' benefits for youth. ♥

We'll never know because China banned gaming except for like 1 hour a day.

Napisano przez Dave, 25.09.2021 at 07:44

Napisano przez JUGERS2, 25.09.2021 at 07:38

Penalizing the majority for 1 person.

He's asking for an additional option to customize who he receives messages from... I thought you were in favor of MORE customization

Dave, you got me thinking... is this really possible?

https://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=48013#m766677

ps Chess... Brilliant...!

Napisano przez JUGERS2, 25.09.2021 at 08:35

Customization means for the individual to choose and let's the default untouched, if you can do that sure i am fine but me not being able to pm a random new player i see because he has to add me friend list, no i am not fine.

That's what he's saying... you're freaking out over nothing

Napisano przez JUGERS2, 25.09.2021 at 07:38

Penalizing the majority for 1 person.

He's asking for an additional option to customize who he receives messages from... I thought you were in favor of MORE customization

That's a great idea. It should be easy to implement, too (unlike most things on AW)...

Just to add to this, I play a lot of casual and he's not wrong. But he has the same chance of getting 10 turns in a row. It's not an exaggeration. 10-12 rolls for one player is common. But over the course of a game it averages out.

After reading Dave's novel, I think what happens is the random player is picked and 5 moves or so are executed... more depending on the number of overall moves. In casual games, it's easy to have 50+ moves per turn mid game, and rather than run through 50 iterations, i think it does 5 iterations to save on memory, so you get things like 10 moves of his, 10 moves of yours. Not sure obviously, not a coder, but it's just what i've observed, and i don't notice it as much in the early game when there are only a few moves. Will pay more attention and do a proper bug report if i can get some more concrete data and screen shots...

Good idea!

I'll share one more example. atWar has a big database of registered users -- almost 750K as of this moment. Obviously most of those accounts are inactive at this point. Some will never come back. But a lot of them can and do come back. We saw this happen last year during the big covid spike -- not only did we have new people coming in, we had lots and lots of "old timers" coming back too. There is a huge "reservoir" of potential activity if we could get old players to come back and, most importantly, stick around.

Now, again, I know there are lots of reasons people may have for not sticking around, and the community is just 1 of them. But...

A few days ago I happened to see a conversation in the main lobby chat. There was a player who had just come back to atWar after 2 years, and was asking what was new. Another player -- who I won't name, but he's one of the known toxic people around here -- was going on about how dead the game is, staff is out to get him, mods/admins are corrupt, blah blah blah. Now put yourself in their shoes... if you've just come back after 2 years, and everything you hear is negative, why would you stick around?

The only people who complain about the moderation are, generally speaking, the toxic ones who are always in trouble because of it. The vast majority of AW users approve of the job our moderators do, and some even want us to enforce the rules MORE strictly. (I'm not just making that up, we know it because of the responses we got to our Survey.) The player I saw complaining is one of those guys who barely even plays the game, he just hangs around to complain about how badly he feels he's been treated -- in other words, he's just a drain on the community. He contributes nothing.

If I'm answering the question "what's new in the last 2 years", there are a lot of good updates I can mention: CW betting, the new playoffs system, new strategies, daily login bonuses, earning PC from games, the PC transfer feature, allowing non-premiums to play Promo'd maps for free, not to mention lots of bugs that have been fixed. Now I know what you're thinking, this is all just a drop in the ocean, and you're right -- there are still many other things that we're working on adding, still bugs to fix, etc. But considering how badly atWar had been neglected prior to my arrival, I think it is fair to say there are lots of good things to say about the progress we've made. (Again, I'm not saying things are perfect -- we still have a long way to go -- but there are honestly more reasons for optimism than negativity at this point.)

When old players come back after long period of inactivity, we should welcome them and encourage them.

Napisano przez RaulPB, 24.09.2021 at 08:25

I unsarcastically wonder if AW is still in time to catch those flies; time will tell

I could be wrong, but I believe the answer is yes, and here's why:



This is how many new users registered each month, for the last year. (Guest accounts are excluded.) As you can see, it usually averages around 4K new users each month.

Now in fairness, I don't know how many of those are alts -- I assume a lot of them are -- but even if 50% of all new accounts were alts, that's still 2000 new users each month, on average. (I don't think it's really as high as 50%, but it's a nice easy number for sake of argument)

My point is, atWar has plenty of new users coming in. The problem is that only a small % of them stick around. There are lots of reasons why they don't stay, but I think the toxic community is one of them.

Napisano przez JUGERS2, 24.09.2021 at 11:57

Napisano przez brianwl, 24.09.2021 at 11:35

Napisano przez JUGERS2, 24.09.2021 at 10:10

I heard certain MK members are permabanned(?). If thats the case could we know the reasoning behind it? Just curius behind the way of thinking behind this action.

Sure, but still need to follow the correct format: https://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=41801

Include the names so i can contact them and see if they wish to share their story publicly.

I see no format....as for if they want to be public i guess they do since they inform me about it, someone who is not a big fan of mk for varius reasons

From the linked page...

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You may request a particular issue be publicized for transparency, but this request must be made privately first, as there are likely details of the issue of which you are not aware. The request will then be opened in the mod forums, where the moderation team will discuss if the matter is suitable for discussion in the forums. Generally, there are only two reasons your request will be declined:

(1) The player involved in the issue is clearly using the incident to gain attention, notoriety, is using the action to forward a personal agenda by personally attacking an AW staff member, or otherwise create dissent, distraction, or unrest in the community.

(2) The player involved has made an honest mistake, and prefers to quietly make his amends without attention being drawn to him. (i.e. respect for the right to be forgotten.) Many new players make mistakes, and have later come to be respected members of our community. AW staff respect the intense emotional nature of this game, and most of us have 'been there' at one point, and said something in game we may not have said otherwise. As such, we will protect your privacy for these 'one time occurrences'.

Once accepted, the moderator will inform you the request for transparency has been approved, and a discussion thread will be created. The moderation team will keep the discussion unlocked provided it does not devolve into personal attacks and blame. The point of transparency is to inform, not inflame.

Napisano przez JUGERS2, 24.09.2021 at 10:10

I heard certain MK members are permabanned(?). If thats the case could we know the reasoning behind it? Just curius behind the way of thinking behind this action.

Sure, but still need to follow the correct format: https://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=41801

Include the names so i can contact them and see if they wish to share their story publicly.

I can't speak specifically to unleashed, but in general, players (and people) like this are in a lot of emotional turmoil, but aren't really aware of it because they've grown up from childhood with it, so it just seems 'normal' to them since they've never experienced anything else.

Those who express the pain outwardly, by attempting to hurt and belittle others, are simply communicating that they are in pain...

It seems 'crazy' but it's not... let's change it from emotional pain to physical pain so it's easier to see what's happening:

Imagine you are very sensitive to physical pain... you just happen to have 10x more pain receptors than everyone else.

So if someone pats you on the back and says 'good job' - you feel like they've hit you in the back with a lead pipe.

How would you react if you got hit in the back with a lead pipe? (especially by someone who is claiming they are just giving you a compliment?)

Most people would probably say 'what the hell!!, you idiot, go around hurting me for no reason, piss off!!!' Many would lash out in retaliation.

Even if you are some sort of jesus/ghandi/buddha type, you could at least understand this reaction...

So now let's look at how this is perceived. Someone gives you a positive message (pat on the back) - you feel it like a back-breaking pain in your spine, you express yourself, and anyone watching the interaction comes to the conclusion that you are crazy...

i.e. the observers are like "what the hell - he gets a pat on the back and then lashes out like that... crazy!)

So now you, who feels this extraordinary amount of pain, get double pain... the first pain is real... 10x pain really does hurt... it's not imagined.
But second pain is psychological - instead, everyone calls you crazy, ridicules you, and isolates you. What you really need is sympathy, since you are in 10x more pain then everyone else, but you get the exact opposite.

So...

How do you relate to people? You stop feeling compassion... you think everyone is on the attack. you think people are stupid because they can't see you are in pain, you get angry and seek revenge on those who hurt you (again, this is fairly common... if you got hit with a pipe, you'd might also retalliate.)

So this behaviour is not really crazy...

It's just that it is emotional pain, and so it is hard to see and hard to understand since most people don't experience it themselves ...

But people like unleashed have 10x emotional 'pain' receptors.. when you feel hurt from a betrayal, they feel the same betrayal but 10x more intensely. As a result, they are in perpetual pain, but since they don't realize this, they just think everyone is on the attack and trying to hurt them.

There was a great article about a month ago regarding toxic gaming communities, and how it doesn't have to be that way. It compares the WoW and FFXIV communities (disclaimer -- I've never played either of those games), but the lessons learned apply just as much to atWar.

I have been talking about the toxic community problem here on AW since literally day-1. This is not a problem unique to AW, but this article gives me hope that 1) it doesn't have to be this way, and 2) the policies I set out from the beginning are the correct ones. In short, my policy has simply been to get the small % of toxic people out of this community, even if it means we lose a little bit in activity or if I lose revenue. I would rather do those things and have a better community (and a healthier game) in the long run.

Toxic people here have often attempted to use the excuse "I shouldn't be banned because atWar needs players" to justify themselves. I've said this before, and I'll say it again -- However many players AW has does NOT justify bad behavior. We have never accepted this excuse, nor allowed it to influence our moderation actions. If you can't behave yourself, we will kick you out, no matter who you are.

I have always been comfortable with this stance because I know, from first-hand experience, that the majority of AW's players are nice, normal people. Many are even welcoming and friendly! (Its well known I lurk on secret alts... I've met and become friends with several people who have been kind, welcoming, and have helped teach me the game -- who literally have no idea they are really talking to "Dave". They're just good people.) Unfortunately, when you have a few loud assholes causing drama, the good people tend to go quiet or even inactive.

Fortunately, the actual number of people we have permanently banned is surprisingly small. Sometimes it seems like a lot because of certain people who create tons of alts to try and avoid their bans, but if you take the alts into consideration, the actual number of *people* we've permabanned is probably around 10-12. That's out of a community of (roughly) 10,000 active users per month. In other words, something like 0.1%.

I think we've made good progress toward cleaning up this community, but clearly there is still work to be done. I think it's possible we've inadvertently become too lenient over the last several months. This article serves as a reminder of why our moderation policies are important, and that perhaps we should be enforcing them even more strictly.

I will copy & paste an abridged version of the article which conveys the key points, below. (You can read the complete article here.)

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(begin article)

The fact that World of Warcraft has a pretty unpleasant community isn't news, of course; people have been talking about the game's problems with its community for many years, though in recent years perhaps some of the attention paid to WoW's community issues has faded as the game's player numbers have declined and other games -- notably Riot's League of Legends -- have struggled very publicly with their own toxic community issues. In the past few months, though, there appears have been a significant downtick in the relationships between World of Warcraft's players, its streamers, and the company itself -- at the heart of which lies the question of the game's toxic community and accusations of who bears the blame for it.

The specifics of this all make for a weird, messy story that's perhaps best summarised in Ethan Gach's Kotaku article on the matter this week. In brief, however: a popular WoW streamer (with a history of promoting some pretty questionable behaviour during his time in WoW) switched over to playing Final Fantasy XIV on his stream and, totally enamoured of how welcoming and pleasant the community for Square Enix' game is, made some extremely negative comments about WoW's own community and its toxicity.

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It's playground drama, honestly, and nobody involved comes out looking especially good -- not the streamer, not Blizzard, and certainly not any of the crowd of idiots who escalated the whole mess by revealing people's identities and otherwise harassing one another. But while the playground drama itself absolutely isn't worth your attention, the stakes in play behind the whole mess are of some interest.

WoW has had a hell of a run, for sure -- it remains one of the most commercially successful games in history, and its record for subscription revenue will be hard to beat -- but it's now struggling to keep subscribers engaged. Streaming has become a vital piece of the puzzle in terms of marketing and building profile for a game, especially for an online title -- and that means that a very popular streamer getting into a heated public spat over how unpleasant the game's community is (and whose fault that may be) is a problem that will ultimately spill over onto the company's bottom line. The stakes aren't just "people are mad on the Internet", then; they're measured in subscriber numbers and revenues and, ultimately, in some degree of impact upon how long WoW remains viable as a game service.

Underlying the whole argument is a pretty unchallenged but actually quite remarkable fact -- that WoW, coming up on two decades on the market, still hasn't solved problems with in-game abuse, harassment and generally anti-social behaviour that have been present in the game from the outset and have, if anything, only become worse and more deeply ingrained as time has gone by.

The question of whether the toxicity of WoW's community is the fault of the game's creators or of streamers and other community "personalities" (spoiler alert: it's definitely the creators' responsibility, but if your streamer persona is a performatively angry asshole, you probably weren't exactly helping) is really secondary to this larger reality -- that one of the industry's most popular games is plagued by a community so unpleasant, unwelcoming and toxic that it's likely stunting the possible market growth of the game itself and, at this point, actively accelerating its decline.

The focus on this issue, after all these years, comes precisely because another game has come along which puts the lie to all the exaggerated shrugs, weary sighs, and "ah, players, whaddya gonna do?" responses with which Blizzard (and many, many other game operators) has dismissed the viability of properly policing and managing its community over the years. Square Enix' Final Fantasy XIV is flavour of the month in the MMO world for a variety of reasons (many of which simply boil down to "it's really good"), but perhaps the most remarkable thing about the positivity surrounding the game is the regularity with which we see posts praising the game's community for being helpful, welcoming and friendly -- even to the point of being tolerant and forgiving of inexperienced players' mistakes in the challenging end-game raids.

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So, how did they do it? What magic spell did Square Enix weave to create a large, popular MMO with a community that's open, welcoming, tolerant, and enthusiastic about helping newcomers? I don't want to oversell FFXIV's community here -- nowhere in this world is truly an asshole-free zone -- but sexist, racist, or otherwise bigoted abuse is essentially unheard of in the game, and for every impatient person raging at a newbie who made a mistake on a tricky dungeon mechanic, there are half a dozen other players telling the newbie to ignore the idiot and offering to help show them the ropes. Isn't that more or less what every online game operator has been claiming to be an impossibility for the past twenty years or more?

Honestly, it's almost depressing to realize that what Square Enix did to achieve this is... precisely nothing special. They just did what any half-decent community moderator knows is required from the outset, but which so very few game companies are willing to do. They told support and GM staff to take a strongly punitive stance on abusive behaviour, harassment, hate speech and so on, and empowered them to actually get rid of users who violated those policies. Their policy was a "broken windows" approach, it seems; they recognised that allowing the loudest, most obviously unpleasant players to stay in the game would send a signal to others that this behaviour was tolerated and even lionised, and render the rest of the community unmanageable.

I don't want to say "and that's it", as if making those choices really were simple and without complications -- but, well, in some senses that really was it. There's no magic, just a set of sensible baseline policies and a willingness to actually police and enforce them -- even at the cost of some users' subscription revenue, which seems to be the red line other companies balked at crossing easily. The size of the effect is far greater than the sum of its parts, precisely because removing the most egregiously toxic and aggressive users also sends a powerful signal to other users -- or perhaps more importantly, removes the powerful signal which tolerating those toxic users' behaviors would have sent.

It nips in the bud the kind of negatively reinforcing group behaviors that end up turning a whole community into an unpleasant place. Without cause to believe that acting like a dick will be rewarded and cheered on by other users, it turns out that most people simply choose not to act like a dick -- and eventually, the disapproval of other players for unpleasant behaviour in the game creates a positive reinforcement loop in the community, as new players quickly see that this is a game community in which they're going to catch a lot more flies (or make a lot more friends) with honey than with vinegar.

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This whole spat between streamers and developers over this -- daft pubescent melodrama as it may be on the surface -- reveals two very important things to anyone thinking about running an online service game. Firstly, despite years of being dismissed as too difficult, creating a good community is perfectly possible as long as you're prepared to actually put in the work and enforce sensible rules that keep malicious and abusive actors out. Secondly, doing so is really worthwhile commercially -- because it turns out that there are far, far more people out there who'll subscribe to your game because it's got a reputation for being welcoming, than there are people who'll unsubscribe because they're not allowed to use slurs or threaten to rape each other. A game community as a whole, it turns out, can also catch far more flies with honey than with vinegar.

(end of article)

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Closing this since it didn't follow the proper format, and it doesn't sound like a bug anyway. Regarding how turn priority works, I wrote a novel on the subject which explains it here: https://atwar-game.com//forum/topic.php?topic_id=44795&topicsearch=&page=2#m760457

Napisano przez El Serbio, 19.09.2021 at 13:20

Bug Report
When i attacked city, roles was weird af
https://prnt.sc/1suu24n
https://prnt.sc/1suueiz
I was supposed to win this both times, but i lost both time..
First time i lost by 1 mil and gen
Second time i lost by gen
Wtf is this?

Information:
Browser: Opera Gx

Browser version: Your version isLVL 3 (core: 78.0.4093.186)

OS:win 7

Sorry you lost, but I don't think this is a bug. In your own screenshots, the battle simulator shows 38% and 27% chances of losing... as Froyer said, you just had bad luck.

Napisano przez mornelord, 19.09.2021 at 04:43

Steps to reproduce the behavior
Example:
1. click on ABC
2. then do 123
3. etc...

Thanks for the bug report, however you forgot to fill in the most important part ^^

In this case I would need to know which map it was that gave you the problem, so I know which one to test. You could just say something like "Steps to reproduce the behavior: 1) start a game on map (name of map), 2) see the cities are missing"

FWIW I normally use Chrome on Windows 10 same as you, and I've never seen anything like this, but I generally only play the World Map and a few others. I'm guessing whatever the problem is it must be specific to the map you were trying to play.

Napisano przez Monte, 15.09.2021 at 09:08

Hello.
Thank you for the information.
I once again completed which map that was then.. and after a while
I can say now with 100% certainty that it must be the following map. -> https://en.atwar-game.com/map/?id=13137
As you suspect in your other posts, the same mistake has also occurred here.
(CanvasRenderingContext2D.DrawImage: PASSED in Canvas Is Empty, Script: https://en.atwar-game.com/jave/fabic/fabric.min.js) Line .....
the old Screenshot from the map and the Picture is now new here.... https://ibb.co/KX0qZjC

Thanks for the info. I did a test game with that map (1600's Age of Empires) and it's working correctly for me. The error message you saw matches with the other bug reports, so it should be fixed now. If you have any other problems let me know but I think it will be fine now.

Napisano przez brianwl, 22.09.2021 at 18:43

Was playing a game and surprised at who i saw making a raucous in Delhi...

That's a bug :O

Was playing a game and surprised at who i saw making a ruckus (raucous?) in Delhi...

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Napisano przez Connection error, 21.09.2021 at 22:39

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That tells me that "Godlovesyou" doesn't really care about people's souls, because if "Godlovesyou" was on here because he cared about souls and thought I was on my way to hell, he would be inviting a conversation so that he could try to convert me. Right?

God won't intervene... God wants you to make free will choices and learn from them.



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That's why you buy after it goes down 90%. Then when it "breaks even" you make 900% profit.

Man, you should be financial advisor and get paid for giving great advice learned from AW.

More importantly, how did the date go?

Needs its own thread... But amok was just on a few days ago.

Napisano przez Your Monkey, 20.09.2021 at 07:14

...Axe wounds are not cool.

unless to the head... and you are a dwarf... from Westeros...

Napisano przez Sphinx, 19.09.2021 at 15:22

Check laochras name for transparency, waffel same boat

The transparency: I banned both of them temporarily and they "quit", blaming me for their own behavior (and I gave both of them warnings beforehand). Not like this even needed to be brought up, and I apologize to both of them for having to share this shit again.